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by MattFL
Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:38 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Repair Rivet Fastener Holes in 1997 MONTAUK Rub Railing
Replies: 9
Views: 2283

Re: Repair Rivet Fastener Holes in 1997 MONTAUK Rub Railing

Thanks all, I might end up doing what you all suggest and put holes in new places. I can take the opportunity to replace the entire rub rail with a new one, properly plug the old holes and make new ones. But to put new holes in the boat hurts.
by MattFL
Sat Sep 23, 2023 12:07 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Repair Rivet Fastener Holes in 1997 MONTAUK Rub Railing
Replies: 9
Views: 2283

Repair Rivet Fastener Holes in 1997 MONTAUK Rub Railing

Q1; What is the best way to fix enlarged rivet holes under the rubrail of a 1996 Montauk [17]? Many of the rivets have pulled out of their holes and replacing them with the same size rivets will not hold. The holes appear to have been enlarged and are a bit ragged--as can be expected for a boat [who...
by MattFL
Mon Aug 28, 2023 9:49 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1996 Montauk 17 Hatch Hinge Repair
Replies: 13
Views: 2784

Re: 1996 Montauk 17 Hatch Hinge Repair

Looking at the pictures, I wonder if the original [barrel nut] was aluminum.
by MattFL
Mon Aug 28, 2023 8:55 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1996 Montauk 17 Hatch Hinge Repair
Replies: 13
Views: 2784

Re: 1996 Montauk 17 Hatch Hinge Repair

The hatch is fixed. [The fastener that holds the hinge to the molded hatch top] was for-sure a barrel [nut] . The dimension of the barrel [nut] was 3/8-inch long with 10-24 threads. A replacement was ordered from Hamilton Marine, their part BEC-BB187S01 and installed. package_.jpg threeFasteners_.jpg
by MattFL
Sat Aug 19, 2023 4:37 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1996 Montauk 17 Hatch Hinge Repair
Replies: 13
Views: 2784

Re: 1996 Montauk 17 Hatch Hinge Repair

Thank you for the tips on the stainless. The OEM screws are 10-24 thread. The local Ace Hardware had some "steel" barrel [nuts] that matched that might work for the short term, but they are sure to rust very quickly. I will look for some 316 stainless [fasteners] while these are in place t...
by MattFL
Mon Aug 14, 2023 9:02 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1996 Montauk 17 Hatch Hinge Repair
Replies: 13
Views: 2784

Re: 1996 Montauk 17 Hatch Hinge Repair

Update: [the fasteners used on the hinge] are indeed barrel nuts. brokenBolts.JPG bolts_out.JPG crackedLid.jpg Although these barrel nuts looked very nice on the outside, they were clearly corroded on the inside. The bottoms were held snug by corrosion, a good twist and the came free. I used an old ...
by MattFL
Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:23 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1996 Montauk 17 Hatch Hinge Repair
Replies: 13
Views: 2784

Re: 1996 Montauk 17 Hatch Hinge Repair

Your thought [perhaps directed to the comment by MakrCZ] was my initial thought, too, but the top screws are rattling around while the bottom screws were tight when I tried to move them. I'll put more torque or maybe the impact driver on the bottom screws and see what happens. Logically I can't thin...
by MattFL
Sat Aug 05, 2023 3:23 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1996 Montauk 17 Hatch Hinge Repair
Replies: 13
Views: 2784

1996 Montauk 17 Hatch Hinge Repair

[Here is the SHORT VERSION of this thread:] The molded hatch cover on a 1996 MONTAUK 17 became detached from its hinge. The existing fasteners were removed. A new BARREL NUT was ordered and installed. [For long version with beautiful illustrations, read on.] Q1: on 1996 Montauk 17 anchor locker [ill...
by MattFL
Tue May 04, 2021 4:37 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain
Replies: 54
Views: 22832

Re: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain

In regard to the holes not lining up; the transom layer was thicker than I expected it to be, followed by the foam, followed by the inner skin of the boat actually being thinner than I expected. I get the impression that they drilled inward from the outside of the boat at a slight upward angle (too ...
by MattFL
Tue May 04, 2021 12:18 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain
Replies: 54
Views: 22832

Re: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain

I hope it's the last time, too. The last [cockpit sump drain on this 1996 MONTAUK 17] was installed using 3M5200. To remove that drain tube was not difficult. I just grabbed the outside flange with channel-lock pliers, gave the tube a twist, and that was enough to break the bond. There is a signific...
by MattFL
Mon May 03, 2021 10:43 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain
Replies: 54
Views: 22832

Re: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain

May be this Total Boat goop would be good. https://www.totalboat.com/product/seal/ Thanks, that sealer looks interesting. I might have tried it if I wasn't already done. I [installed the new drain tube] using 3M5200 FAST CURE. 3M5200 FAST CURE is slightly thicker and less runny than 3M5200, which a...
by MattFL
Sat May 01, 2021 3:47 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain
Replies: 54
Views: 22832

Re: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain

In my post I didn't mean to imply that [Boston Whaler] were using 5200, more so that they were coating the entire inside of the hole with sealant to give it a skin. I can't tell what sealant they're using but here's the video showing their recommended procedure:

https://youtu.be/Zby76eoKO-I
by MattFL
Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:14 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain
Replies: 54
Views: 22832

Re: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain

It has been in the low 90's today and yesterday. With a fan blowing through [the open hole where the drain tube was removed] I hope [the foam] has dried. I'm thinking the PVC part with the larger flanges might actually seal better than a thin O-ring due to more surface area. The tube gets a lot of a...
by MattFL
Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:28 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain
Replies: 54
Views: 22832

Re: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain

I poked around with my finger and everything inside there felt solid so maybe there's no wood to rot right there. When I clean it up I'll go back with a pick and double check. If it gets dry enough I might try to line the entire hole with 5200 before I put the new tube in, as a secondary tube in cas...
by MattFL
Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:37 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain
Replies: 54
Views: 22832

Re: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain

Update: The new part arrived. Sue said that 5200 was the thing to use for sealant. To remove the old tube I first grabbed the flange outside the boat with channel lock pliers and gave it a twist to break the bond with the hull, at which time dark smelly thick water started running out. In total an e...
by MattFL
Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:04 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain
Replies: 54
Views: 22832

Re: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain

From memory, I think the plastic tube was not strait, I vaguely recall it had a little bend on one side. I will find out when the new one gets here (not removing the old one until the new one arrives so the hull isn't completely open to any rain). As best I can tell, the water appears to be coming f...
by MattFL
Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:38 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain
Replies: 54
Views: 22832

Re: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain

Yes, I just measured it and it's right at 12" long.
by MattFL
Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:55 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain
Replies: 54
Views: 22832

Re: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain

Thank you very much for the info. I don't think this particular drain tube has any indentations in it to fit a special tool, and it would be very difficult to access on the inside of the boat anyway. So this might be a fun one to remove. ;) I have used Skiaflex products on my house, you can sometime...
by MattFL
Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:09 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain
Replies: 54
Views: 22832

Re: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain

I emailed with Sue, she said the only metal replacement of the right diameter that she's aware of is the brass tube that you cut to length and install with o-rings using a flaring tool. I think I'll do my own search before ordering the OEM plastic one again. Q17: what is the outside diameter of the ...
by MattFL
Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:32 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain
Replies: 54
Views: 22832

Re: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain

Good question, I'm not sure of the answer but I'll ask Sue and see if she knows. I can see how that may have been part of the problem if the 5200 didn't stick well to that type of plastic. Q16: what is the consensus on using a threaded stainless or bronze drain tube instead of the OEM plastic one? I...
by MattFL
Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:46 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain
Replies: 54
Views: 22832

Re: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain

3M advertises 5200 as an adhesive sealant and recommends it specifically for below the water line through-hull fittings, so on paper it should have worked, but clearly it failed for some reason. Maybe my surface prep was flawed? https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Marine-Adhe...
by MattFL
Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:40 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain
Replies: 54
Views: 22832

Re: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain

That's a great idea, I've got some West System epoxy in the garage, maybe that will do the trick.

Q13; what would be the best sealer to use on the drain tube?

I used 5200 thinking it would be the best and last the longest, hopefully forever, but that thinking was apparently flawed.
by MattFL
Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:13 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain
Replies: 54
Views: 22832

Re: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain

In all honesty I don't remember the condition of the original drain tube. From memory, I think there was some sort of sealant visible around the edges of the drain tube and it was deteriorating allowing the drain tube to become loose, which was why I replaced it. If I remember correctly. But I do no...
by MattFL
Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:45 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain
Replies: 54
Views: 22832

Re: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain

As best I can tell, the leak occurs around the tube on the lower side of the drain. The boat gets year round use. My guess is the constant in and out of the drain plug must have dislodged the gasket formed by the 5200 around the tube. I'm handy but not a pro by a long shot. I think I should look for...
by MattFL
Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:12 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain
Replies: 54
Views: 22832

Re: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain

Great thanks. All of the through-hull fittings on this 1996 MONTAUK 17 are plastic. I bought the boat in 2000, and I believe the through-hull fittings were originals. I replaced this particular through-hull fitting myself in 2013 with the part coming from [Twin Cities Marine]. I don't remember what ...
by MattFL
Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:29 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain
Replies: 54
Views: 22832

Re: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain

Ok thanks.

Q7: where can a replacement [drain] of the best quality be found?
by MattFL
Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:12 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain
Replies: 54
Views: 22832

1996 MONTAUK 17: Leak at cockpit sump drain

In my 1996 Montauk [17] I just discovered a leak around the [cockpit sump overboard] drain tube. Q1: How bad will the damage be if the boat is used for one more day before fixing the leak? The cockpit sump would be full of water all day. Q2: How well is the [foam] area around the drain tube inside t...
by MattFL
Sat Aug 29, 2020 4:43 pm
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Fisherman and divers - right of way
Replies: 10
Views: 3810

Re: Fisherman and divers - right of way

Thanks guys for the replies, very informative. Reading the replies, one thing came to mind. The fishing boat is drifting, the dive boat is constantly under power, going in circles looking for the divers. Sometimes great big circles of like 1/4 mile, but that's a different story... But if I understan...
by MattFL
Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:43 am
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Fisherman and divers - right of way
Replies: 10
Views: 3810

Fisherman and divers - right of way

My goal is to stay legal, so I'm looking for someone who might know a bit about the laws in FL. As this place becomes more insanely over populated, confrontations between divers and fishermen are occurring much more often. Both want to be at the same location, where the fish are. Here we are very ne...
by MattFL
Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:48 am
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Triple and Quad Outboard Sightings
Replies: 11
Views: 4336

Re: Triple and Quad Outboard Sightings

There are definitely a lot of Mercury engines here [Florida], but also a lot of Yamaha engines. Suzuki engines have suddenly sprung into great popularity, and dare I say I'm starting to see more new Suzuki engines than other brands--I think due in large part that they're less expensive. Three of my ...
by MattFL
Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:46 pm
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Triple and Quad Outboard Sightings
Replies: 11
Views: 4336

Triple and Quad Outboard Sightings

It seems that almost every boat now in my area has at least three outboards, and most have four--or more. Needless to say, small boats like my Montauk 17 are becoming rare. Q: Are you seeing similar trends? The attached picture is a common site now. What you're seeing is four boats with quads, two b...
by MattFL
Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:56 pm
Forum: VHF MARINE RADIO
Topic: Standard Horizon HX870 Features
Replies: 8
Views: 14751

Re: Standard Horizon HX870 Features

I can confirm that the DSC calling and position request works on the HX870. My buddy bought the same radio and we just tried it. Initiating a DSC call makes the other radio ring and that user has the option to answer. Upon answering both radios automatically switch to the agreed upon channel. I did ...
by MattFL
Mon May 13, 2019 11:23 am
Forum: VHF MARINE RADIO
Topic: Odd radio behavior
Replies: 4
Views: 12361

Odd radio behavior

This weekend I observed some odd radio behavior, and I'm just curious who else has noticed this. Aboard a boat, one radio used a 3-to-4-foot-long antenna on top of the T-top; a second radio was a handheld attached to my PFD. Both radios were tuned to channel 68, a fishing tournament channel with lot...
by MattFL
Mon May 13, 2019 11:16 am
Forum: SMALL BOAT ELECTRICAL
Topic: Sunglasses and Electronic Displays
Replies: 9
Views: 11547

Re: Sunglasses and Electronic Displays

The Prius is more landscape, but the polarization orientation seems to be diagonal. Looking directly at it through glasses the screen is too dim to read, but you can tell it's on. Tiling your head one way makes the screen appear black, and tiling your head the other way makes the screen more visible...
by MattFL
Mon May 13, 2019 11:12 am
Forum: VHF MARINE RADIO
Topic: Standard Horizon HX870 Features
Replies: 8
Views: 14751

Re: Standard Horizon HX870 Features

I've used the Standard-Horizon HX870 handheld radio a couple of times now. I will commenting on some good and bad features. Battery life so far has seemed adequate for general daily use. After seven hours in the boat scanning channels it appears to have roughly half the battery capacity left. The na...
by MattFL
Mon May 13, 2019 10:49 am
Forum: The GAM
Topic: MONTAUK 17 Swamped Stability
Replies: 19
Views: 14375

Re: MONTAUK 17 Swamped Stability

We've had several people run to the same side in my 17' and it has definitely led to some exciting moments, but I don't recall it rolling far enough to actually take any water over the side. For it to roll completely over inverted I would guess those must have been some fairly hefty dudes and/or rou...
by MattFL
Sun May 12, 2019 6:19 pm
Forum: SMALL BOAT ELECTRICAL
Topic: Sunglasses and Electronic Displays
Replies: 9
Views: 11547

Re: Sunglasses and Electronic Displays

More data points -- My wife's 2012 Prius screen is horrible. The display and backup camera are all but invisible when wearing polarized glasses. I'm surprised they even let it go to market like that. I do not recall having the same problem in her previous 2008 model year Prius, which had a much brig...
by MattFL
Fri May 10, 2019 11:05 am
Forum: SMALL BOAT ELECTRICAL
Topic: Sunglasses and Electronic Displays
Replies: 9
Views: 11547

Re: Sunglasses and Electronic Displays

Tilt your head while looking at the display, when the polarization of the glasses lines up with the polarization of the screen the image will become visible. Not a perfect solution, but inexpensive!
by MattFL
Tue May 07, 2019 1:47 pm
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Montauk 17 Water Collection Sumps
Replies: 9
Views: 6850

Re: Montauk 17 Water Collection Sumps

Lots of Montauk boats used plastic drain tubes. I don't know the advantages or disadvantages. I got a replacement [drain tube] from Twin Cities Marine in Two Rivers, Wisconsin. If the boat lives under a cover or inside when not in use, then you can use an old towel to get out the water before storage.
by MattFL
Tue May 07, 2019 1:42 pm
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Bimini Top 1992 13' GLS
Replies: 11
Views: 7307

Re: Bimini Top 1992 13' GLS

If you're keeping [the 1992 Boston Whaler 13 GLS for the] long term, I would look seriously at [installing canvas from] Wm. J. Mills & Co. My 1996 Montauk has the original Wm. J. Mills & Co. top, and the canvas is still in great shape. I'm in southern Florida, the boat lives under a cover wh...
by MattFL
Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:41 pm
Forum: VHF MARINE RADIO
Topic: Standard Horizon HX870 Features
Replies: 8
Views: 14751

Re: HX870

The menus appear to be there on the radio, I just need to convince some buddies to get their radios fully functional with MMSI numbers so I can give it a try.
by MattFL
Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:24 am
Forum: The GAM
Topic: On Board Hand Tools
Replies: 17
Views: 12164

Re: On Board Hand Tools

As mentioned above, WD-40 is very thin and more or less disappears over time. I've personally found that Maxima Chain Wax is stellar for corrosion prevention. It's motorcycle chain lube in a paraffin base, so it sprays on wet and dries to a waxy finish. The result is it stays around a long time and ...
by MattFL
Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:14 am
Forum: VHF MARINE RADIO
Topic: Standard Horizon HX870 Features
Replies: 8
Views: 14751

Re: HX870

I just purchased the HX870 and I haven't had the opportunity to try the polling feature yet. The documentation indicates that [the HX870] does support [polling and polling acknowledgement]. Automatically poll the GPS position of a ship using DSC The owners manual in section 10.9 "POLLING CALL&q...
by MattFL
Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:44 am
Forum: VHF MARINE RADIO
Topic: Standard Horizon HX870 Features
Replies: 8
Views: 14751

Standard Horizon HX870 Features

I'm hoping this topic can help people like me understand the features of the HX870 radio. At the moment the power saving features are not clear to me. I need to be filled in on some details on the following which are not described in the manual: ⋅ For the GPS power saving feature, I assume...
by MattFL
Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:17 am
Forum: VHF MARINE RADIO
Topic: Choosing a Handheld DSC Radio
Replies: 11
Views: 16973

Re: Choosing a Handheld DSC Radio

I decided on the HX870, the older model from Standard Horizon. I choose this over the newer [HX890] radio in part because the [HX870] allows you to request your buddies position, and from what I've read the newer [HX890] doesn't support this. Now to do some homework and learn how to use it, time wil...
by MattFL
Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:03 am
Forum: The GAM
Topic: MONTAUK 17 Swamped Stability
Replies: 19
Views: 14375

Re: MONTAUK 17 Swamped Stability

That [the 170 MONTAUK described in the preceeding article] wanted to remain upright, even if very tipsy, is good. My thought was if the center of gravity when flooded were too high, [the huill] would become inherently unstable and refuse to stay upright without external inputs keeping it balanced. I...
by MattFL
Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:28 am
Forum: The GAM
Topic: MONTAUK 17 Swamped Stability
Replies: 19
Views: 14375

Re: MONTAUK 17 Swamped Stability

JIMP--thanks for sharing your story [of a swamped MONTAUK 17]. It sounds like these [Montauk 17] boats aren't so unstable when heavy that they want to roll over by themselves without some external forces applied such as waves or people running around. A feature of a [Boston Whaler Montauk 17] that c...
by MattFL
Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:42 am
Forum: The GAM
Topic: MONTAUK 17 Swamped Stability
Replies: 19
Views: 14375

MONTAUK 17 Swamped Stability

To anyone who has been in a swamped classic Montauk 17: please comment on how stable a swamped MONTAUK 17 is in regard to the hull wanting to roll. This is just a curious question after witnessing a non-Boston-Whaler 16-to-17-foot boat sink right in front of me a couple weeks ago. The wind had turne...
by MattFL
Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:23 am
Forum: SMALL BOAT ELECTRICAL
Topic: Purchasing Electronics
Replies: 6
Views: 10513

Re: Purchasing Electronics

More then year years ago my Garmin chartplotter and SONAR failed. I'm not sure why. The warranty period was expired, but Garmin repaired it for me for free. Based on that, my next upgrade was a Garmin unit as well. I have not had to contact them since. I had a Standard Horizon HX350S handheld radio ...
by MattFL
Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:10 am
Forum: The GAM
Topic: MONTAUK 17 Trailer
Replies: 5
Views: 9707

Re: MONTAUK 17 Trailer

I have a 1996 Montauk 17 on a bunk trailer; it's the only way to go. If you can buy new, get the trailer custom sized for your boat; the cost is not much more. I got my trailer from Rolls Axle in Florida, Model W1730 custom sized to be 80-inches wide at the outside of the fenders, and it fits my Mon...