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by opencage
Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:42 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Gel Coat Brown Liquid Deposit
Replies: 11
Views: 3829

Re: Gel Coat Brown Liquid Deposit

Sorry for the delay in responding. Yes this is new gel coat over old gel coat that was sanded down. It does seem to be more active if the hull is in the sun vs in the shop. In fact I never noticed it until I rolled the hull outside for few days. It's an 1963, 13 foot classic. I'll be doing a few sm...
by opencage
Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:09 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 21
Views: 9261

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

jimh wrote:I do not see any difference between the work shown in Figs. 10, 11, and 12, and the work shown in Figs. 15, 16, and 17. What is the difference?


Ha, yeah, there's not a ton of difference, a little more stripping, sanding, and grinding out of the cracks. And in the new garage.
by opencage
Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:20 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 21
Views: 9261

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

I found that a Dremel Multi-Max with the detail sanding pad and a "mouse" type sander came in very handy in sanding the tight spots. https://www.dremel.com/en_US/tools/-/subcategory/tool/find-by-category/27366/multi-purpose I have a 1973 13' Whaler in the garage also that needs quite a bi...
by opencage
Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:36 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 21
Views: 9261

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

Nice work opencage! Stripping is basically done. I understand why folks say just pay for soda-blasting. I know it doesn't look like much else got done, but trust me it's better. It was tough getting the paint out of the trough under the lip/rub rail area. I can't agree with you more. After spending...
by opencage
Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:05 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 21
Views: 9261

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

Redoing a 13' myself. Are you going to use any primer or undercoat for the brush on gel coat ? I originally planed to use an epoxy barrier undercoat before using brush on gel coat, but now I'm thinking it's not going to add any real additional protection sitting in between gel coat and gel coat. Yo...
by opencage
Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:12 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 21
Views: 9261

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

Interesting! Why would the FGCI gelcoat be easier to use and repair as opposed to other brands of gelcoat? Ah, good clarifying question. I just mean that since the gelcoat will be new and of a generic color from this supplier, it'll be easier to buy and color match, than having to do so with older ...
by opencage
Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:40 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 21
Views: 9261

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

Looking good. Question: Does the boat rest entirely on the keel rollers? I see no bunks in the pictures. If so, that may be the cause of the keel rash seen in the pictures. Thanks! I know it's far from finished but I'm happy with what's done so far. Here's the finished trailer with bunks. But those...
by opencage
Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:37 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 21
Views: 9261

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

In the new garage, ready for more work. Big things left for the bottom of the hull: - finish the cracks (dremel, fill ((west 105 + 206)), fair/sand) - fix three delimitation spots (west 105 + 206) using sand bags for bottom of hull and 1x8's and clamps for hull wall - fix the bigger "dings"...
by opencage
Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:29 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 21
Views: 9261

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

I'm still working on this. Life happens. Found and bought a house, moved again, futzed around with generic new house stuff, started a new job, got the school year started (I'm an elementary school teacher), then finally got the boat up to the new house's garage. The garage is insulated and heated, s...
by opencage
Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:19 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 21
Views: 9261

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

Jim, added the captions. I agree about the sweat equity: learning a lot; enjoy working with my Dad on a boat my Son will use someday, too. dg22, thanks. I am very surprised at how good the gelcoat is. There is really almost no blistering. Only three delamination spots that aren't too big and don't c...
by opencage
Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:59 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 21
Views: 9261

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

Stripping is basically done. I understand why folks say just pay for soda-blasting. I know it doesn't look like much else got done, but trust me it's better. It was tough getting the paint out of the trough under the lip/rub rail area.

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Fig. 10. Finishing stripping, there was a white topside paint on top of the off-white gelcoat
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Fig. 11. Removing the residue and remaining bluegreen color of the old bottom paint
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Fig. 12. Ready for sanding
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by opencage
Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:47 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 21
Views: 9261

Re: 1963 13 Restoration

I sold the older Nissan 40HP 2-stroke before we left Colorado. I got the go-ahead from my wife to buy a new motor that "doesn't stink". I'm staying at my parents' place and they have a pole-barn and I'm now stripping the bottom paint and topside paint that was put on the hull back in the 1...
by opencage
Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:38 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 21
Views: 9261

Re: 1963 13 Restoration

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Fig. 4 Angle-grinder-ed everything to remove rust, then Phospo-ed, primed, and painted with white flat Rustoleum.
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Fig. 5. Re-assembled with new hardware, bolt-on hangers, and slipper leaf springs
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Fig. 6. Ready to make the trip halfway across the country
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by opencage
Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:37 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 21
Views: 9261

1963 13-footer Restoration

I bought 1963 Boston Whaler 13-footer with a trailer, and engine. The trailer seems a little newer but not much . The engine is a c.1985 Nissan 40-HP two-cylinder two-stroke-power-cycle engine. I got to take out the boat a few times and was hoping to enjoy it for a season before I restored it. Then ...
by opencage
Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:44 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Repairing Loose Bow Eye
Replies: 7
Views: 3112

Re: Repairing Loose Bow Eye

When I made this repair, I got a piece of aluminum tube the same diameter as the hole I would need. I cleaned the aluminum tube really well. To the tube I applied two coats of wax, followed by two coats of Poly-vinyl Alcohol (PVA). I inserted the tube through the damaged hole at the correct angle I...
by opencage
Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:30 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Repairing Loose Bow Eye
Replies: 7
Views: 3112

Re: Repairing Loose Bow Eye

Thanks for the response.

I'd like to the bow and lifting eye could be removed relatively easily in the future if needed.

With the long drill bits and correct angle, I was thinking of just making a jig for my drill for going through the filled hole.
by opencage
Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:33 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Repairing Loose Bow Eye
Replies: 7
Views: 3112

Repairing Loose Bow Eye

To repair a loose bow eye, after filling [the original hole] with WEST System epoxy, and after adding some fiberglass reinforcement on the inboard side:

Q1: how do you drill out the hole again?

Q2: how do you keep the correct angle?

Q3: do you just keep a steady hand?
by opencage
Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:01 pm
Forum: PERFORMANCE
Topic: 1963 13 Re-power
Replies: 25
Views: 10640

Re: 1963 13 Re-power

Ratking20 wrote:we used a 30 etec on the same hull(1980s) and it works great. it replaced a suzuki dt40 and while the 40 was faster and a better fit. the new 4 stroke 40s are just too heavy


Thanks, I’m really leaning towards the Suzuki DF30-ATL2. 158lbs with PTT, tough to beat.
by opencage
Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:41 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Thwart Seats on Older 13-footer
Replies: 4
Views: 2154

Re: Thwart Seats on Older 13-footer

Jim, as always, thanks for your response and the great info. I understand now, originally the thwarts weren’t attached to the hull. The riser retainers (aka seat clamps) were attached to the wood strip (call out C in the wood locating diagram) holding the thwarts in place. My aft thwart has a riser ...
by opencage
Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:09 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Thwart Seats on Older 13-footer
Replies: 4
Views: 2154

Re: No seat clamps on 1963 13?

Tom Hemphill wrote: ...it is unclear to me how your thwarts are being retained.


[The thwart seats see in Fig. 1.] are screwed down.

Q3: How does [retention of the thwart seats] work with the "seat clamps"?

Q4: The thwarts are not screwed down, but are the "seat clamps" screwed down?
by opencage
Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:51 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Thwart Seats on Older 13-footer
Replies: 4
Views: 2154

Thwart Seats on Older 13-footer

My 1963 13 has been refurbished at least once before, and I am going to refurbish it again. I don’t think its wood interior is original--which is fine--but the thwart seats do not have "seat clamps." Q1: [Is the mounting of the thwart seats as seen in Fig.1. below a problem]? 13footerThwar...
by opencage
Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:50 am
Forum: PERFORMANCE
Topic: 1963 13 Re-power
Replies: 25
Views: 10640

Re: 1963 13 Re-power

I bought a mahogany transom [riser], look forward to [its use], and will post about [the outcome] as the project comes along. The maker and seller was helpful and sent his staining and varnishing products and process so I can use the same when I redo mine to match as much as possible. Also, I found ...
by opencage
Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:26 am
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Lake Michigan Water Level
Replies: 15
Views: 11849

Re: Lake Michigan Water Level

Not quite as important, but I have a feeling this will affect the smallmouth and carp fly fishing in the Grand Traverse bays this summer, too.
by opencage
Tue May 14, 2019 11:20 pm
Forum: PERFORMANCE
Topic: 1963 13 Re-power
Replies: 25
Views: 10640

Re: 1963 13 Re-power

dg22 wrote:Here is a transom riser for the older 13-footers.

https://www.nausetmarine.com/shop/bosto ... som-riser/


Thanks, I looked at that one too.

Does anyone have experience with either of these?
by opencage
Tue May 14, 2019 2:03 pm
Forum: PERFORMANCE
Topic: 1963 13 Re-power
Replies: 25
Views: 10640

Re: 1963 13 Re-power

Here is the link to the performance data of the 16 foot skiff with a Yamaha 25 hp. https://yamahaoutboards.com/en-us/home/outboards/25-2-5-hp/25-15/f25/pb_car_16sport_f25leha_3-16-09_skf 4 seconds to plane, 0-20MPH in 8 seconds. Yeah, and that hull is probably a little better planing hull than a cl...
by opencage
Tue May 14, 2019 1:42 pm
Forum: PERFORMANCE
Topic: 1963 13 Re-power
Replies: 25
Views: 10640

Re: 1963 13 Re-power

The boat in Fig. 1 has a beautiful rebuild of the transom. I'm not sure I have the experience or confidence to try this and am concerned that the cost to have a pro do it would be prohibitive as well. Maybe I should check around for cost estimates. I think (hope) the Koski Mahogany Transom Extension...
by opencage
Tue May 14, 2019 1:31 pm
Forum: PERFORMANCE
Topic: 1963 13 Re-power
Replies: 25
Views: 10640

Re: 1963 13 Re-power

To elaborate on the boat speed formula: Boat speed (S) is proportional to the ratio of horsepower (HP) to weight (LBS) to the 0.5-exponent. (1) S = (HP/LBS)^0.5 This is more accurately given as (2) S = C x (HP/LBS)^0.5 where C is a constant that takes into account th...
by opencage
Tue May 14, 2019 10:02 am
Forum: PERFORMANCE
Topic: 1963 13 Re-power
Replies: 25
Views: 10640

Re: 1963 13 Re-power

Jim, thanks for sharing this formula, that's very helpful. I've been diving into this research more. Asking others about what they like. A few new things have come to mind. Even with my 135 lbs 2-stroke 40HP Nissan, I got wash over the transom notch more often than I liked when I slowed down. A pump...
by opencage
Sun May 12, 2019 9:27 am
Forum: PERFORMANCE
Topic: 1963 13 Re-power
Replies: 25
Views: 10640

Re: 1963 13 Repower

Q3: In the choice between 25-HP or 30-HP, is a weight change of 20-lbs a difference? To assess how much change will occur if the weight of the outboard engine increases by 20-lbs: ⋅ go to a garden store ⋅ buy a 20-lbs bag of topsoil in a strong plastic container ⋅ plac...
by opencage
Sat May 11, 2019 5:18 pm
Forum: PERFORMANCE
Topic: 1963 13 Re-power
Replies: 25
Views: 10640

Re: 1963 13 Repower

RICH--thanks for the great information, I’ve never heard of anyone not happy with with getting power trim and tilt. I do plan on moving forward a bit the 13-footer interior. This 13-footer has been adjusted before. Q1: What is the distance from inside center transom to back of rear thwart seat for t...
by opencage
Thu May 09, 2019 10:32 am
Forum: PERFORMANCE
Topic: 1963 13 Re-power
Replies: 25
Views: 10640

Re: 1963 13 Repower

Do any of the four-stroke-cycle outboard engines you mention have the ability to run without needing a battery? If that Yamaha 25-HP without power trim and tilt could do that, and I presume it might also be a pull-start engine, then you could eliminate the battery from the boat. That saves about 50...
by opencage
Wed May 08, 2019 7:27 pm
Forum: PERFORMANCE
Topic: 1963 13 Re-power
Replies: 25
Views: 10640

Re: 1963 13 Repower

Wow, thanks jbillon! That's a ton of great first-hand info.
by opencage
Wed May 08, 2019 4:05 pm
Forum: PERFORMANCE
Topic: 1963 13 Re-power
Replies: 25
Views: 10640

Re: 1963 13 Repower

Thanks for the response. I don't recommend adding weight and setback with a CMC bracket Yeah, weight and setback are concerns of mine. I don't think either are good for this boat based on my little experience plus reading what's on the forum. Would you not worry about the PTT then? The weight of the...
by opencage
Wed May 08, 2019 10:04 am
Forum: PERFORMANCE
Topic: 1963 13 Re-power
Replies: 25
Views: 10640

1963 13 Re-power

I'm stilling waiting to finish the hull restoration from here: http://continuouswave.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4324 But we're moving from Colorado to Michigan, where I'll finish it with my dad's help. 1963 Boston Whaler 13, 15" transom, hull weight ~275 lbs. But I got the go-ahead to sp...
by opencage
Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:55 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Gel Coat Crazing: Sudden Appearance
Replies: 25
Views: 5708

Re: Gel Coat Crazing: Sudden Appearance

Wow great information here. I am excited to see your progress on it and anxiously await updates. Thanks, just wanted to get more info out there, not a lot as discussed before. It'll be a little while, at least a couple weeks. Should finish the trailer this weekend, wanna weigh it too. Then I'll get...
by opencage
Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:57 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Gel Coat Crazing: Sudden Appearance
Replies: 25
Views: 5708

Re: Gel Coat Crazing: Sudden Appearance

So after a second phone call and receiving some color chips, I've decided to go with the FGCI brushable gelcoat. I got the white, misty white, and dusky white in the actual gelcoat. Felt like good durable plastic, though they were 1/8 inch thick, but certainly more durable than paint. The dusky whit...
by opencage
Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:12 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Gel Coat Crazing: Sudden Appearance
Replies: 25
Views: 5708

Re: Gel Coat Crazing: Sudden Appearance

If it were me I would use [FCGI] poly-fill verses using West System. First the FGCI (or any brand gelcoat and filler) are two products designed to work together. Second is the golden rule poly over poly, epoxy over poly, but never poly over epoxy. The reason is polyester doesn't really stick very w...
by opencage
Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:18 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Gel Coat Crazing: Sudden Appearance
Replies: 25
Views: 5708

Re: Gel Coat Crazing: Sudden Appearance

I have exactly the same cracks in exactly the same places on the side of the hull on my 1995 Outrage 24. I think the cause was gelcoat shrinking. The cracks are only on the hull side where the sun set in its position on the trailer in the exact same spot for many many years. Cracks are where the su...
by opencage
Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:56 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Gel Coat Crazing: Sudden Appearance
Replies: 25
Views: 5708

Re: Gel Coat Crazing: Sudden Appearance

Crazing is only on one side, the southern, yes cyclical freeze/solar loading. However it also requires the gelcoat to be rather aged, broken down--and 56-years is more than enough. Q: Are those cracks all the way through as in a true crack? Q: Or are those creases? Take a heat gun; heat up a sectio...
by opencage
Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:43 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Gel Coat Crazing: Sudden Appearance
Replies: 25
Views: 5708

Re: Gel Coat Crazing: Sudden Appearance

I have no experience to offer with FGCI Brushable Gelcoat. Q: Does FGCI Brushable Gelcoat cure to a hard surface when exposed to air? Yes. The FGCI product page says "no wax needed", which I know could be ambiguous because it could be an interior/laminating type gelcoat that would require...
by opencage
Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:59 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Gel Coat Crazing: Sudden Appearance
Replies: 25
Views: 5708

Re: Gel Coat Crazing: Sudden Appearance

I found this product in my extensive "what am I going to do and how am I going to do it" search online: FGCI Brushable Gelcoat I was cautiously optimistic, did some more "looking stuff up" and gave them a call today. They were on Ship Shape TV (but they are advertisers) and saw s...
by opencage
Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:56 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Gel Coat Crazing: Sudden Appearance
Replies: 25
Views: 5708

Re: Gel Coat Crazing: Sudden Appearance

That all makes sense, that theory is sound. It sits high in the water and was easily handled by me and a buddy, but there's always something in there and maybe some more got in over the last six months. So I've decided to embrace this situation as an opportunity. I already have everything apart, bar...
by opencage
Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:38 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Gel Coat Crazing: Sudden Appearance
Replies: 25
Views: 5708

Re: Gel Coat Crazing: Sudden Appearance

Jim, as always, thanks for your responses, information, and help. 1. Based on registration paperwork, this was likely the third Colorado winter for this hull. It's possible it was taken elsewhere for winter, but based on what I know, I don't think so. This was likely its first winter off the trailer...
by opencage
Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:18 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Gel Coat Crazing: Sudden Appearance
Replies: 25
Views: 5708

Re: Another Total Boat product option

Re-doing the hull with Total Boat gel coat finish may be the way to accomplish the repair. I’m willing to put the time and effort in. And I’d like the durability.
by opencage
Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:56 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Gel Coat Crazing: Sudden Appearance
Replies: 25
Views: 5708

Re: Validity of another discussion

This ten-year-old discussion on top coat finish choices has a ton of information. Is [all the information in that thread] valid today?
by opencage
Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:59 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Gel Coat Crazing: Sudden Appearance
Replies: 25
Views: 5708

Gel Coat Crazing: Sudden Appearance

I had my 1963 Sport 13 upside down in my backyard for the winter as I rebuilt the trailer. The hull had some poor bottom paint, but the hull was in decent shape. I was planning on repainting the deck. On Monday, March 25, 2019 I took off the cover. I saw the entire port side has some crazy crazing a...
by opencage
Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:14 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13 Stern Eyes
Replies: 4
Views: 2203

Re: 1963 13 Stern Eyes

Jim, thanks for the thread clean up and the advice. I've read about bridles similar to the one you described as working better than the usual $20 ones. This 13 is powered by a Nissan NS40C 2 stroke and has plenty of pep, should be great for the boys. Thanks for the help. I think I'll go with where t...
by opencage
Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:31 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13 Stern Eyes
Replies: 4
Views: 2203

Re: 1963 13 Stern Eyes

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Fig. 2. Transom of 13-footer with through-bolted stern eyes.
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Yes, [the stern eyes on the boat now] are through-bolted.
by opencage
Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:17 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13 Stern Eyes
Replies: 4
Views: 2203

1963 13 Stern Eyes

SternEyes.jpg Do I need to move these stern eyes to their normal location (red circles) or can I keep them where they are? Based on the wood locating diagram neither of these locations have wood. I would prefer to keep them where they are to avoid having to fill in two big transom holes only to mak...