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by opencage
Thu May 14, 2020 2:34 pm
Forum: The GAM
Topic: 1963 13-footer Transom Green Line?
Replies: 2
Views: 219

Re: 1963 13-footer Transom Green Line?

biggiefl wrote:Yes it should


Cool, thanks.

-Tom
by opencage
Tue May 12, 2020 12:03 pm
Forum: The GAM
Topic: 1963 13-footer Transom Green Line?
Replies: 2
Views: 219

1963 13-footer Transom Green Line?

Should a 1963 13-footer have the green line laminated joint on the top of the transom?

I know older 15-foot and 16-foot hulls have a green line joint at the transom, but I've not seen or heard of one for the 13-foot hull. Thanks--Tom
by opencage
Mon May 04, 2020 9:09 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Specifications for 1968 13-footer; Decals; Remote Engine Controls
Replies: 5
Views: 185

Re: Specifications for 1968 13-footer; Decals; Remote Engine Controls

68FirstBoat wrote:Since this boat is now considered a custom can I still participate and ask questions to the Whaler forum?


Indubitably.

Though it's Jim's forum, so he should probably answer.
by opencage
Mon May 04, 2020 8:29 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Rub Rail Replacement Source and Installation
Replies: 22
Views: 654

Re: Rub Rail Replacement Source and Installation

If memory serves be correctly, I used stainless sheetmetal, phil pan head screws in the 10 X 1-1/4" size. Great, thank.Your info and details from all your posts have been VERY helpful in my own project. Can the wiring to the bow still be run between the insert and rigid receiver? Are you count...
by opencage
Mon May 04, 2020 7:31 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Specifications for 1968 13-footer; Decals; Remote Engine Controls
Replies: 5
Views: 185

Re: Specifications for 1968 13-footer; Decals; Remote Engine Controls

I recently emailed Magic Brush http://www.magicbrushsign.com/marine/ via magicbrsh@bellsouth.net (yes, the 'u' is missing, it tripped me up at first too) asking about a new decal for the 1963 13-footer I'm working on. Janis replied quickly and with excellent service and details: Good morning Tom, we...
by opencage
Sun May 03, 2020 8:01 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Rub Rail Replacement Source and Installation
Replies: 22
Views: 654

Re: Rub Rail Replacement Source and Installation

For install, for 25 years I've used stainless philips pan head sheet metal screws instead of the rupplied rivets

What size and length screws do you use to install a new three-piece rubrail on a classic 13?
by opencage
Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:20 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Rub Rail Replacement Source and Installation
Replies: 22
Views: 654

Re: 13-footer Rub Rail Replacement

Read:

Rub Rail Replacement
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/rubRail.html

[In the future I may install] a rub rail that I may buy from Specialty Marine.
by opencage
Mon Apr 27, 2020 6:00 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 37
Views: 15076

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

Sanding continues, I'm getting close to being close to applying the new gelcoat. In the meantime while sanding and fairing the transom, I removed the drain tube. It was very deteriorated. The outer ring really just popped off with vice grips, then the rest I had to pry out in small pieces using a sm...
by opencage
Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:38 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Preparing Hull for Primer
Replies: 2
Views: 181

Re: Preparing Hull for Primer

I recommend lots of sanding. fairing, and shaping with a fairing compound, for example, with WEST SYSTEM 205 resin, 205 hardener, and 410 microlight filler. Get [the hull surface] as fair as possible. From what I understand, lots of imperfections will show through pain, even applied over a primer.
by opencage
Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:44 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 37
Views: 15076

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

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Fig. 28. Port side before sanding and fairing.
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Fig. 29. Port side after sanding and fairing.
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by opencage
Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:43 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 37
Views: 15076

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

transom_.jpg bow_.jpg So much sanding. Andy from BoatWorksToday said fixing up a boat is 90% sanding--man is he right. All the hull cracks have been ground out and filled with West System 105 resin, 205 fast hardener, and 406 Colloidal Silica filler. The fairing is being done with West System 105 r...
by opencage
Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:32 pm
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Raising 15-inch Transon on Older 13-footer
Replies: 9
Views: 326

Re: Raising 15-inch Transon on Older 13-footer

I went with the Koski mahogany transom extension http://www.koskiboatworks.com/custom-whaler-accessories.html Haven't put it on yet, I've grossly underestimated the amount of time to do the repairs I need to do. I thought it looked the best, helped prevent wake coming over, weighed the least, and th...
by opencage
Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:28 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 37
Views: 15076

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

I also tried using a plug cutter on some leftover plywood I had and it didn’t work. Just kept flaking/crumbling apart inside the plug cutter bit. I’m going to try to get some better grade plywood and try that, otherwise I think I’ll use a pine dowel for filling in the transom motor mount holes. But ...
by opencage
Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:27 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 37
Views: 15076

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

In the morning I removed everything--and it worked. The spots felt solid and sounded very similar to surrounding un-delaminated areas. There were still some spots on the hull that I repeated the process with. IMG_0924a.jpg I also tested a small section of cracks filling with WEST System a mix of res...
by opencage
Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:20 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 37
Views: 15076

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

Got some more work done this week, re-bonding some delaminated skin, following the West System manual section 5.1: https://www.westsystem.com/wp-content/uploads/Fiberglass-Manual-2015.pdf First I put down painter's tape for any excess over flow. IMG_0896a.jpg Then I drilled holes, trying to be as st...
by opencage
Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:59 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 37
Views: 15076

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

Just be careful with these older 13's. The transom design was not the strongest to begin with and hence why they changed it in 1971 for 72 model year. I have seen many crack/separate in the corners. Check to make sure this was not already repaired before you start pulling tubes. My 1st 13' had this...
by opencage
Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:34 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 37
Views: 15076

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

They were used for transom straps for the trailer. I removed the zamak $12 seachoice kind they were using.

I’ve seen that folks are still able to use the lifting eyes near the transom notch for this purpose too. I wanna be able to pull a tube too.
by opencage
Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:56 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 37
Views: 15076

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

The holes for the transom lifting eyes (which are circled with red in your illustration) should be handled in the same manner. There should be reinforcement wood in those locations, too. Interesting, I was starting to really lean towards the Evercoat Sealant Foam Spray https://www.westmarine.com/bu...
by opencage
Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:50 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 37
Views: 15076

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

Re the transom holes for the engine mounting (which are circled with blue in your illustration): If the holes already in the transom are in the correct location (as per the BIA engine mounting layout described in the FAQ), you don't need to fill them with wood plugs. If the holes have enlarged to b...
by opencage
Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:45 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 37
Views: 15076

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

When you fill the cracks with WEST System epoxy, be sure to use a low density filler so they can be sanded fair. The new epoxy will be much harder than the 57-year-old gel coat, and if there is not a filler, you will be sanding off old gel coat before you sand off new epoxy. Thanks Jim, definitely ...
by opencage
Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:49 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 37
Views: 15076

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

UPDATE after almost four months: 0877.jpg I got all the bottom hull cracks widened [with a DREMEL tool]. I had to go over them twice to make sure they were beveled out per section 2.0 of the "West System Fiberglass Boat Repair & Maintenance" manual https://www.westsystem.com/wp-content...
by opencage
Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:42 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Gel Coat Brown Liquid Deposit
Replies: 11
Views: 9384

Re: Gel Coat Brown Liquid Deposit

Sorry for the delay in responding. Yes this is new gel coat over old gel coat that was sanded down. It does seem to be more active if the hull is in the sun vs in the shop. In fact I never noticed it until I rolled the hull outside for few days. It's an 1963, 13 foot classic. I'll be doing a few sm...
by opencage
Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:09 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 37
Views: 15076

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

jimh wrote:I do not see any difference between the work shown in Figs. 10, 11, and 12, and the work shown in Figs. 15, 16, and 17. What is the difference?


Ha, yeah, there's not a ton of difference, a little more stripping, sanding, and grinding out of the cracks. And in the new garage.
by opencage
Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:20 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 37
Views: 15076

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

I found that a Dremel Multi-Max with the detail sanding pad and a "mouse" type sander came in very handy in sanding the tight spots. https://www.dremel.com/en_US/tools/-/subcategory/tool/find-by-category/27366/multi-purpose I have a 1973 13' Whaler in the garage also that needs quite a bi...
by opencage
Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:36 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 37
Views: 15076

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

Nice work opencage! Stripping is basically done. I understand why folks say just pay for soda-blasting. I know it doesn't look like much else got done, but trust me it's better. It was tough getting the paint out of the trough under the lip/rub rail area. I can't agree with you more. After spending...
by opencage
Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:05 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 37
Views: 15076

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

Redoing a 13' myself. Are you going to use any primer or undercoat for the brush on gel coat ? I originally planed to use an epoxy barrier undercoat before using brush on gel coat, but now I'm thinking it's not going to add any real additional protection sitting in between gel coat and gel coat. Yo...
by opencage
Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:12 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 37
Views: 15076

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

Interesting! Why would the FGCI gelcoat be easier to use and repair as opposed to other brands of gelcoat? Ah, good clarifying question. I just mean that since the gelcoat will be new and of a generic color from this supplier, it'll be easier to buy and color match, than having to do so with older ...
by opencage
Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:40 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 37
Views: 15076

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

Looking good. Question: Does the boat rest entirely on the keel rollers? I see no bunks in the pictures. If so, that may be the cause of the keel rash seen in the pictures. Thanks! I know it's far from finished but I'm happy with what's done so far. Here's the finished trailer with bunks. But those...
by opencage
Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:37 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 37
Views: 15076

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

In the new garage, ready for more work. Big things left for the bottom of the hull: - finish the cracks (dremel, fill ((west 105 + 206)), fair/sand) - fix three delimitation spots (west 105 + 206) using sand bags for bottom of hull and 1x8's and clamps for hull wall - fix the bigger "dings"...
by opencage
Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:29 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 37
Views: 15076

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

I'm still working on this. Life happens. Found and bought a house, moved again, futzed around with generic new house stuff, started a new job, got the school year started (I'm an elementary school teacher), then finally got the boat up to the new house's garage. The garage is insulated and heated, s...
by opencage
Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:19 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 37
Views: 15076

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

Jim, added the captions. I agree about the sweat equity: learning a lot; enjoy working with my Dad on a boat my Son will use someday, too. dg22, thanks. I am very surprised at how good the gelcoat is. There is really almost no blistering. Only three delamination spots that aren't too big and don't c...
by opencage
Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:59 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 37
Views: 15076

Re: 1963 13-footer Restoration

Stripping is basically done. I understand why folks say just pay for soda-blasting. I know it doesn't look like much else got done, but trust me it's better. It was tough getting the paint out of the trough under the lip/rub rail area.

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Fig. 10. Finishing stripping, there was a white topside paint on top of the off-white gelcoat
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Fig. 11. Removing the residue and remaining bluegreen color of the old bottom paint
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Fig. 12. Ready for sanding
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by opencage
Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:47 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 37
Views: 15076

Re: 1963 13 Restoration

I sold the older Nissan 40HP 2-stroke before we left Colorado. I got the go-ahead from my wife to buy a new motor that "doesn't stink". I'm staying at my parents' place and they have a pole-barn and I'm now stripping the bottom paint and topside paint that was put on the hull back in the 1...
by opencage
Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:38 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 37
Views: 15076

Re: 1963 13 Restoration

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Fig. 4 Angle-grinder-ed everything to remove rust, then Phospo-ed, primed, and painted with white flat Rustoleum.
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Fig. 5. Re-assembled with new hardware, bolt-on hangers, and slipper leaf springs
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Fig. 6. Ready to make the trip halfway across the country
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by opencage
Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:37 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1963 13-footer Restoration
Replies: 37
Views: 15076

1963 13-footer Restoration

I bought 1963 Boston Whaler 13-footer with a trailer, and engine. The trailer seems a little newer but not much . The engine is a c.1985 Nissan 40-HP two-cylinder two-stroke-power-cycle engine. I got to take out the boat a few times and was hoping to enjoy it for a season before I restored it. Then ...
by opencage
Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:44 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Repairing Loose Bow Eye
Replies: 7
Views: 3713

Re: Repairing Loose Bow Eye

When I made this repair, I got a piece of aluminum tube the same diameter as the hole I would need. I cleaned the aluminum tube really well. To the tube I applied two coats of wax, followed by two coats of Poly-vinyl Alcohol (PVA). I inserted the tube through the damaged hole at the correct angle I...
by opencage
Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:30 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Repairing Loose Bow Eye
Replies: 7
Views: 3713

Re: Repairing Loose Bow Eye

Thanks for the response.

I'd like to the bow and lifting eye could be removed relatively easily in the future if needed.

With the long drill bits and correct angle, I was thinking of just making a jig for my drill for going through the filled hole.
by opencage
Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:33 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Repairing Loose Bow Eye
Replies: 7
Views: 3713

Repairing Loose Bow Eye

To repair a loose bow eye, after filling [the original hole] with WEST System epoxy, and after adding some fiberglass reinforcement on the inboard side:

Q1: how do you drill out the hole again?

Q2: how do you keep the correct angle?

Q3: do you just keep a steady hand?
by opencage
Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:01 pm
Forum: PERFORMANCE
Topic: 1963 13 Re-power
Replies: 26
Views: 16094

Re: 1963 13 Re-power

Ratking20 wrote:Orleans, MA
Thanks.

I’m leaning toward the Suzuki DF30-ATL2 at 158=lbs with [power trim and tilt it will be] tough to beat.
by opencage
Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:41 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Thwart Seats on Older 13-footer
Replies: 4
Views: 2536

Re: Thwart Seats on Older 13-footer

Jim, as always, thanks for your response and the great info. I understand now, originally the thwarts weren’t attached to the hull. The riser retainers (aka seat clamps) were attached to the wood strip (call out C in the wood locating diagram) holding the thwarts in place. My aft thwart has a riser ...
by opencage
Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:09 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Thwart Seats on Older 13-footer
Replies: 4
Views: 2536

Re: No seat clamps on 1963 13?

Tom Hemphill wrote: ...it is unclear to me how your thwarts are being retained.


[The thwart seats see in Fig. 1.] are screwed down.

Q3: How does [retention of the thwart seats] work with the "seat clamps"?

Q4: The thwarts are not screwed down, but are the "seat clamps" screwed down?
by opencage
Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:51 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Thwart Seats on Older 13-footer
Replies: 4
Views: 2536

Thwart Seats on Older 13-footer

My 1963 13 has been refurbished at least once before, and I am going to refurbish it again. I don’t think its wood interior is original--which is fine--but the thwart seats do not have "seat clamps." Q1: [Is the mounting of the thwart seats as seen in Fig.1. below a problem]? 13footerThwar...
by opencage
Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:50 am
Forum: PERFORMANCE
Topic: 1963 13 Re-power
Replies: 26
Views: 16094

Re: 1963 13 Re-power

I bought a mahogany transom [riser], look forward to [its use], and will post about [the outcome] as the project comes along. The maker and seller was helpful and sent his staining and varnishing products and process so I can use the same when I redo mine to match as much as possible. Also, I found ...
by opencage
Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:26 am
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Lake Michigan Water Level
Replies: 18
Views: 20185

Re: Lake Michigan Water Level

Not quite as important, but I have a feeling this will affect the smallmouth and carp fly fishing in the Grand Traverse bays this summer, too.
by opencage
Tue May 14, 2019 11:20 pm
Forum: PERFORMANCE
Topic: 1963 13 Re-power
Replies: 26
Views: 16094

Re: 1963 13 Re-power

dg22 wrote:Here is a transom riser for the older 13-footers.

https://www.nausetmarine.com/shop/bosto ... som-riser/


Thanks, I looked at that one too.

Does anyone have experience with either of these?
by opencage
Tue May 14, 2019 2:03 pm
Forum: PERFORMANCE
Topic: 1963 13 Re-power
Replies: 26
Views: 16094

Re: 1963 13 Re-power

Here is the link to the performance data of the 16 foot skiff with a Yamaha 25 hp. https://yamahaoutboards.com/en-us/home/outboards/25-2-5-hp/25-15/f25/pb_car_16sport_f25leha_3-16-09_skf 4 seconds to plane, 0-20MPH in 8 seconds. Yeah, and that hull is probably a little better planing hull than a cl...
by opencage
Tue May 14, 2019 1:42 pm
Forum: PERFORMANCE
Topic: 1963 13 Re-power
Replies: 26
Views: 16094

Re: 1963 13 Re-power

The boat in Fig. 1 has a beautiful rebuild of the transom. I'm not sure I have the experience or confidence to try this and am concerned that the cost to have a pro do it would be prohibitive as well. Maybe I should check around for cost estimates. I think (hope) the Koski Mahogany Transom Extension...
by opencage
Tue May 14, 2019 1:31 pm
Forum: PERFORMANCE
Topic: 1963 13 Re-power
Replies: 26
Views: 16094

Re: 1963 13 Re-power

To elaborate on the boat speed formula: Boat speed (S) is proportional to the ratio of horsepower (HP) to weight (LBS) to the 0.5-exponent. (1) S = (HP/LBS)^0.5 This is more accurately given as (2) S = C x (HP/LBS)^0.5 where C is a constant that takes into account th...
by opencage
Tue May 14, 2019 10:02 am
Forum: PERFORMANCE
Topic: 1963 13 Re-power
Replies: 26
Views: 16094

Re: 1963 13 Re-power

Jim, thanks for sharing this formula, that's very helpful. I've been diving into this research more. Asking others about what they like. A few new things have come to mind. Even with my 135 lbs 2-stroke 40HP Nissan, I got wash over the transom notch more often than I liked when I slowed down. A pump...
by opencage
Sun May 12, 2019 9:27 am
Forum: PERFORMANCE
Topic: 1963 13 Re-power
Replies: 26
Views: 16094

Re: 1963 13 Repower

Q3: In the choice between 25-HP or 30-HP, is a weight change of 20-lbs a difference? To assess how much change will occur if the weight of the outboard engine increases by 20-lbs: ⋅ go to a garden store ⋅ buy a 20-lbs bag of topsoil in a strong plastic container ⋅ plac...