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[Moderator's note: in a thread in a BOATING topic forum in which a suitable engine choice for repowering a particular Boston Whaler boat was being discussed, user BLACKDUCK decided to change the topic and to begin to discuss how the forum is administered. Because as a general rule the forum does not...

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I have owned [a c.1976 OUTRAGE 19] powered with the Suzuki 140. Do yourself a favor and listen to your dealer and go for the 150. The boat can use the additional weight in the rear. The boat will be bow heavy with the [140] engine. The [140] engine is also shy of the claimed 140-HP. Top [boat speed]...

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: Fig. 4. The dock seen from shore.; dockViewFromHouse.jpg (74.05 KiB) Viewed 1960 times

Dock is located on Winnapaug Pond in Westerly, Rhode Island. The pond is saltwater and tidal. The location is the west end, north shore. I built the dock 15 years ago. It is 100-feet long, as was needed to get some water depth. The photo from my front yard.

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[An earlier discussion about this boat focused on engine mounting height and possible changes and benefits.] I did not change the engine mounting height for the Yamaha 90-HP two-stroke-power-cycle engine on my NAUSET 16 boat [as was discussed in the prior thread], and I left the engine as it had bee...

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My approach to life has never been to say "good enough". I have always tried to do a little better than the guy before me, and at 73, I'd have to say that it has worked out pretty darn well for me. I am probably going to make the motor mounts adjustable, so that I can adjust the engines op...

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Putting the jack plate concern aside, I am now unsure as to how Tom and Dave feel about raising the engine 1-1/2-inches on a pre-smirk hull. Is it worth it, or not?

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Yes, thanks all for the input on this situation. I think getting away from the blind hole mounting system seems to be a good thing for me to strongly consider. My thoughts are that using some sort of setback mounting plate will solve the problem with the least amount of work. Filling and drilling ne...

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My intent in placing this post was to get some feedback from those who have [performed all the work needed to replace a blind-hole mounting with a lower transom mounting hole in an elevated location from the normal BIA location to overcome the problem os a shallow engine splash well on an older Bost...

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Phil--I didn't see email because it's broken, but I should have it straightened out by June 16, 2022.

6-1/2-inches between third hole and top of slot.
Add 2-inches
8-1/2-inches.
Why add 2-inches

Dave--good looking installation.

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The jack plate weighs 19 pounds.

The person drilling the top holes drilled them 1/4" different. If he didn't use a jig, easy to do. Motor does seat tight to top of transom on both side, so may have been intentional.

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The top bolts are at 1 7/8-inch, and 2-1/8-inch other side. The lowest I can drill from there is only 6-1/-inches before getting into the flare of the [engine splash] well bottom. I am buying an inexpensive manual jack plate: , a KUAFU 4'' Set Back Jack Plate, $165. Sure it's made in China--or worst...

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Okay, let me confirm the height of the upper holes to be sure they are at 1-7/8-inch [on center below the top of the transom]

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Yes, I am at the lowest mounting holes which puts the keel bottom and cavitation plate dead level.

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On my older 16-footer with non-smirk hull, I have a Yamaha 90-HP two-stroke-power-cycle engine mounted using the blind mounting bosses for the lower mounting bolts--a very neat and well-done installation. If I fill these existing lower engine mounting holes, and drill new lower engine mounting holes...

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Thanks to you both, I think I can get this done. Like Phil says, one just needs a bigger stash of cash these days.

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Phil, specifically, I'm trying to duplicate the double rollers that you have on your 17 OUTRAGE boat trailer pictured in a thread about six months ago. https://continuouswave.com/forum/download/file.php?id=7468 Fig. 1. A LOAD-RITE trailer shown as purchased in another thread and owned by PHIL T. Not...

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[Separated from another discussion and now its own thread]

Where can keel rollers and their mounting hardware be puchased?

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Thanks, Phil. So, I did okay? I used to think I knew prices fairly well, but things sure are different today.

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No longer looking. I found a 1973 Nauset in very nice condition, with a 2003 Yamaha 90, 174 hours, showroom condition, new trailer for $12,000- It took a couple of months of daily looking, but there are some fairly priced boats out there, but man, you have to be patient.

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[Presumably referring to the asking price of $12,000, it] seems like a good price in today's market. I've looked a a number of similar boats over the last month, and the [$12,000] price seems fair.

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WTB: classic-era Montauk 17 any condition. I Won't pay silly prices, like $15,000, original power, never been loved-I will consider $20,000, new power, overall excellent condition.
CONTACT: cedrictheclam@gmail.com
LOCATION: Westerly, Rhode Island

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Boat has been sold more or less at the asking price.

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For sale: 1973 19 Outrage in Westerly, Rhode Island for $20,000. Selling because I would like a somewhat smaller boat CONTACT: cedrictheclam@gmail.com I have a lot more photos, just email me- helm.jpg topdn.jpg 19dock1.jpg This is hull #78, a classic banana style. The boat has undergone a complete a...

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For the record, the engine I own has 65 hours of service, and functions as one would think a brand new engine would.

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In order to obtain the rated maximum power output from any marine engine, the propeller must be chosen so that the propeller load permits the engine to accelerate into its maximum power output range. In the case of many (perhaps most or even all) four-stroke-power-cycle outboard engines, that means...

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Call it bashing, call me what ever you want, the df140 is still a pig.

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Here is a [a manufacturer's promotional flyer] performance test of a boat [similar to the boat now owned] in 1973. My point is that the Suzuki DF140 does have a "dock rap" of being an under performer. I can get to 40 MPH under ideal conditions, 39 is a reliable top end. For me, this is goo...

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Any time the Suzuki DF140 comes up, I feel the need to comment. This is a wonderful engine, however it is not a 140-HP engine. It is no more than a 125-HP. It compares very closely in power output to an old Mercury 115 tower-of-power six-cylinder from the 1970's, a bit stronger, but not much.

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There is no mold-proof caulk.

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The best prop for your boat was a Stiletto 14 1/4 X 17 stainless, engine mounted three-holes-up. The company is gone.

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The Outrage 18 is quite capable of making 49-MPH. I do not say that every 18 will do this, or that a boat making 47-MPH should be rejected for purchase. If an Outrage makes only 43-MPH it is underperforming by 10-percent. To say a Boston Whaler Outrage 18 should make a lot more speed than 43 MPH is ...

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My point is the [OUTRAGE 18] boat [with 150-HP engine] is close to a 50-MPH boat, not a 40-MPH boat: just like a Montauk with a 90-HP engine is close to a 45-MPH boat, not a 37-MPH boat. As far as how accurate is GPS, most commercial GPS receivers are stated to be capable of an accuracy of 0.1-MPH o...

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Hull design, total boat weight, engine RPM , and propeller pitch and diameter predict the real top end boat speed, not the engine's power.

Whatever makes the designated propeller turn at the required speed will work.

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Phil, what is the prize?

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These old two stroke 150's did produce more than their rated HP-

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If I said I believe that 50-MPH without bottom paint was possible, you would really think I was nuts.

My boat did weigh [1,975-lbs] without fuel or operator, so the [Crouch Speed Prediction Method] says that is possible.

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There always seems to be interest in the top speed of a Boston Whaler classic OUTRAGE 18 powered with a 150-HP two-stroke-power-cycle engine. I have been around a few OUTRAGE 18 boats , and I owned one that I regret selling to this day. Without a doubt the [the OUTRAGE 18] boat will make 49 MPH when...

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I will be deciding what do do with this boat [by about June 5, 2021].

[Please start a new thread in MARKETPLACE to advertise the boat is for sale if your decision is to sell the boat. This thread is now closed.--Moderator]

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What is the value of my restored 1973 19 [OUTRAGE]? Just about everything that is attached or screwed down is new. The engine is a 2005 Suzuki DF140 with 65 hours of service. Tank is new, all wood is new, wiring is all new, plus lots more. These photos give a good idea of what I have: helm.jpg topdn...

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If the batteries [in the OUTRAGE 22 Whaler Drive boat under discussion] are in the stern, moving them to the console will [increase freeboard in the stern]. Adding ballast to the bow will to the same. [Some unidentified described on as] boat has always been low in the stern. ASIDE ON A NEW AND UNREL...

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[Spectrum] will not match your hull color, straight out of the jar. [Spectrum] will have to be adjusted by tinting. {The original article used the undefined pronoun "it", which I assume referred to "Spectrum." If "it" referred to something else, the author should edit h...

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I would be interested in pictures, I'm in RI, so it could be easy-cedrictheclam@gmail.com

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I installed an aluminum 40 gallon tank without foam into a 1973 19'. This works well in this boat as water does not pass over the top of the tank like it does on newer Outages. I left a 1" plugged, access hole in the cover for checking and water removal by pump. Tank was just block shimmed in a...

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I have done the job. I think $4500 is a fair price to do it right. If someone offered me that money to do the job, I would turn them away-

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There are no plastic tanks that will fit into your tank cavity available. You will have to have a new aluminum one made, either Florida Marine or a maker in NJ, can't remember their name-

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Screws should be #14, 1/4". 1" should be fine, but you can go up to 1 1/4".

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The only hard part of this repair is the color matching. It takes knowing color theory. You might be better to pay someone with these skills to do the gel coat. If you try it yourself, make sure you are happy with the color match before you proceed.

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Seats 1-inch and less for the rest; some might be 7/8-inch.

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Sapele is heavier

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Your boat suffers from severe blistering. The blisters have opened, and much of the original gelcoat is damaged, or just plain gone. The best approach would be to soda blast the bottom, fill all the holes, etc. with thickened epoxy, and then apply a 5 or six coats of epoxy. You are going to need man...

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