Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

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Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Postby jimh » Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:48 pm

As had been rumored, Boston Whaler revealed a new model, the 2018 170 MONTAUK boat. The website at WHALER.COM now has details as of this afternoon.

The new model differs from prior 170 MONTAUK boats most significantly as follows:

--integrated 25-gallon fuel tank for added range; this replaces on-deck plastic fuel tanks

--new integrated forward fishbox with overboard drain; apparently a new feature or adaptation of an existing option

--optional Teak Package with teak boarding steps and swim ladder flooring; dress up the boat for $481 with some classic teak trim

--optional engine is now Mercury [115-HP] FOURSTROKE Command Thrust--a $990 upgrade from the non-Command Thrust 90-HP engine

See more data and pictures at

https://www.bostonwhaler.com/family-ove ... tauk-2018/

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Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Postby jimh » Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:09 pm

There are many options for railings. As best I can tell, the STANDARD equipment for railing is a high-profile bow railing and high profile side railings. The options are:

--low profile bow rails; replaces standard bow railing;

--split bow rail with high side rails; replaces standard bow railing; not compatible with with trolling motor panel option;

--low profile aft [side] rail; replaces standard side rails

--complete rail package, with high bow rail, low profile bow rail, high aft rail, low profile aft rail

Many images in the gallery show the new 2018 170 MONTAUK with no high-profile bow rail or side rails, but with very low profile railings on the inside of the gunwales at the bow and sides. I presume those boats have the two options for low-profile rails at bow and side.

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Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Postby jimh » Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:19 pm

There is also another new model, the 2018 150 MONTAUK. We can examine that in a separate thread, but I wanted to just mention it, too, was announced today.

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Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Postby blavid » Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:33 pm

They also introduced the 350 Realm. Looks like a cross between an Outrage and the Vantage models -- a center console with a small cabin for protection from the elements whilst also proving entertainment provisions and some "fishability"

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Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Postby frontier » Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:48 pm

[The just announced 2018 Boston Whaler 170 MONTAUK is a] [v]ery nice looking boat. I was wondering from where the extra 300-lbs in weight comes compared to the 2017 Montauk 170, but noticed the 2018 version is both longer and wider. 1700-lbs weight is getting close to double the weight of a classic Montauk. I can see why they offer a 115-HP option.

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Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Postby Jefecinco » Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:17 pm

The new 170 Montauk with the right accessories is going to be a terrific small bay boat. I predict it will be very popular amongst anglers.
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Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Postby Masbama » Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:44 pm

Love the look of the new 170. To me it is everything the 170 Dauntless is not (especially now with 115hp option). Interesting that it only weighs a hundred pounds less than my 1999 Dauntless 18.

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Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Postby jimh » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:44 pm

I didn't notice the different hull dimensions. Here is a comparison:

Dimensions
MONTAUK 170 v. MONTAUK 170 2018


Length = 17-feet v. 17-feet 4-inches; 4-inches longer
Beam = 6-feet 10-inches v. 7-feet 3-inches; 5-inches wider
Draft = 9-iniches v. 12-inches; 3-inches more draft
Dry Weight = 1,400 v. 1,700-lbs; 300-lbs heavier
Max. Wt. Capacity = 1,650 v. 1,900-lbs; 250-lbs more capacity
Swamped Capacity = 3,400-lbs v. 2,800-lbs; loss of 600-lbs swamped capacity
Person Capacity = 7 for both
Maximum HP = 90 v. 115-HP; 25-HP increase
Minimum HP = 60 v. 90-HP; 30-HP increase
Deadrise at transom = 16-degrees for both

Price
MONTAUK 170 v. MONTAUK 170 2018

MSRP = $30,971 v. $32,241; a price increase of $1,270

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Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Postby Marko888 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:05 am

Many of these numbers (except the LOA) are very close to those of the classic Outrage 18.
If it packed more fuel, it would almost be its equal. Beautiful boat.
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Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Postby Ridge Runner » Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:08 pm

Here are few pictures of the new 2018 170 Montauk from the Sarasota Florida Boston Whaler dealer meeting (originally posted on Facebook by Hampton Watercraft and Marine):
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Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Postby Jefecinco » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:12 am

The teak covering boards look like an afterthought. I would give them a pass.

The teak on the boarding platform looks okay, but why have so little on the boat? I don't believe I would have it as it is so unnoticeable it's hardly worth the maintenance it will require. For me, use teak or don't, a few little dabs just look out of place.

With or without the trim, that's a fine looking Montauk and I'd be delighted to own it.
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Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Postby Masbama » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:19 am

I wonder how the ride compares to the 2017 170 Montauk?

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Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Postby Phil T » Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:31 pm

We really should refer to the 2018 and future year model of the 170 Montauk as the "170 Montauk II" since it is similar but significantly different than a 2003-2017 Montauk.
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Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Postby Ridge Runner » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:12 pm

As mentioned in another thread - with a length of 17' 4" the Boston Whaler marketing department could have easily named this a "175 Montauk".
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Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Postby myakka » Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:44 pm

I had a job out on Longboat Key and, after I was finished, attempted to get a first hand look at the new Montauk. The only one in captivity had already been sold and they were [the selling dealer] VERY interested in me buying a leftover Montauk. They [the seller dealer] are saying 60 days on the new Montauk

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Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Postby jimh » Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:24 pm

Re the naming of the boat: I tend to leave that to Boston Whaler, as they seem to be able to figure out boat model names rather well. As for a model 175 MONTAUK, I don't see the ending-in-5 as an obstacle; the 345 CONQUEST broke the only-end-in-zero pattern already.

Going forward, I suspect that it won't take long for there to be only one 170 MONTAUK in production--the newest model. The c.2002 170 MONTAUK will not be made much longer. That was the fate of the classic MONTAUK 17 once the 170 MONTAUK came out in c.2002. We will probably see a repeat, and the c.2002 model will end its 15-year run.

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Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Postby frontier » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:19 am

Yesterday I saw the new 2018 170 Montauk in person and came away VERY impressed with the high attention to detail and quality in the twin bow lockers, the new style [combined sidelights navigation lamp], the center console flush-mounted windshield, and the interior design. The boat looks like a winner to me.

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Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Postby Mambo Minnow » Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:52 pm

I got to view the 2018 170 Montauk today. It is a nice boat which feels bigger. It came with a swing tongue trailer. Might need to upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

[Moved from another thread discussing a different boat--jimh]

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Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Postby jackjax » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:42 am

The stern is eerily similar to my 1997 Dauntless 17'. I wonder how much trade it will cost to get this new Montauk.
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Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Postby GWD » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:22 pm

Just purchased a 2018 Montauk 170 at a boat show. The dealer advised the 90 HP for normal use, the 115 HP for heavy loads and pulling skiers. Since I will be mostly fishing with my wife, I went with the 90 HP. But the choice can be changed since the boat is on order.

Any opinions about the motor choice? The $1000 difference is not a big factor and fuel use is not either given the new large gas tank. But I need trolling efficiency rather than raw power.

Also, I wanted to get a jump on the features and operation so tried to find a manual for the 2018 on the Boston Whaler homepage. No luck. The latest they have is for the 2017. There are likely several similarities - probably 95% or so. But I still would like a 2018 owner's manual. Does anyone have a source or lead on where it might be downloaded?

The Whaler is a BIG upgrade from a 30 year old 14' Livingston that was called the "poor man's Boston Whaler" back when I bought it new with a 25 HP Johnson.

Thank you for any insights.

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Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Postby Phil T » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:54 pm

G -

Congratulations, you must be excited.

The Montauk 170 I (2002-2017) has a max hp of 90 hp. You can see the performance report here:
http://bostonwhaler.com.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/170-Montauk-Performance-2016.pdf
Note the boat has practically no gear, only 2 small people on very warm days.

The Montauk 170 II (2018 ->) is approximately 300 lbs heavier, 4" longer, 5" wider.

The Montauk 170 II's Performance report is here:
http://bostonwhaler.com.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/170_MONTAUK_2018_PERFORMANCE.pdf

In summary, lightly loaded with 2 people, 25 gallons of gas and an anchor, the 115hp motor gets you a WOT speed 6 mph higher in idilic conditions.

Adding bottom paint reduces WOT by 2-3 mph.

Boston Whaler tends to be conservative on the maximum horsepower ratings. E.G. Montauk 150, Montauk 170 I.

Consider if you are on the ocean or lake with a bit of a sea. Factor in an ocean current, mild breeze, add 2 adults, a dog or a child (or two). Add weight of boat gear, required safety equipment, ice chest for food, fishing supplies, bait and changes of clothes.

Run the numbers and see if it is worth it in your situation.

Personally, I would strongly consider the 115hp for the 5% cases when you need it. I have been in a few situations with my boat when I had a decent load and was running very hard to get out of a rapidly deteriorating situation as quickly as possible.
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Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Postby GWD » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:42 pm

Thank you for the detailed and rapid response. Very informative post to help guide my thoughts.

Coming from a 14-foot fishing boat that makes 22-MPH at best, the 40-MPH number is eye popping. My wife thought the old boat was too fast. Don't know what she'll think of this new screamer. And at 46-MPH she would likely never go out again.

My wife and I are not seafarers. She absolutely refuses to go to the Farallon Islands outside of San Francisco Bay even if in a 60-foot cabin cruiser. So we mostly lake fish and sometimes go to anchor in the SF Bay and Delta. Additionally, every trip is in bluebird weather.

Since we are somewhat old folks (70's) and retired, we are not in a hurry. After looking at the engine numbers, we will stick with the 90-HP and likely be impressed at the performance as is.

Your motor recommendation is very valid for folks that might go out in questionable conditions but we try to avoid any chance of dangerous weather.

Once again, thank you very much for the time and effort to create such an in-depth response.

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Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Postby Dutchman » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:41 pm

GWD--there is a difference in going 100-MPH in a Bentley and 100-MPH in a Yugo. I'll bet she won't know your going 25-MPH or even 30-MPH in the 170. [Ability to put on extra speed] is great safety to have when you need to go faster.

I assume your 14-foot boat had a two-stroke-power-cycle engine, which was loud. These new Mercury FOURSTROKE outboards run much quieter, making you think you go slower.
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Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Postby GWD » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:04 pm

Dutchman:
Thank you for the advice.

I'm hoping to see just what you point out. The 170 just has to be smoother over wakes and rough water. The new Merc should be a lot quieter than the old 25 HP Johnson 2-stroke. Even at idle it made lots of noise. That is one reason we went to a MinnKota 55 for trolling on the old boat.

Of course, a tiller electric trolling motor simply won't work well on the 170 so it would be nice if the Merc is very quiet at trolling speed. Plus, the improved control in the wind and current provided by a gas motor over an electric will be welcome. My 14' Livingston has a high profile freeboard that was easily put off course by wind.

Another factor that was considered is that there are two seats at the center steering console and her sitting behind the windshield should lower the perception of speed as well. Never having owned a center console boat, only time will tell about this effect.

Apparently the demand for this model is quite high. Mine is being factory built and marked as "sold" according to the dealer. Nothing is really special except the split front rail. Anyway, the dealer expects delivery at the end of May...chomping at the bit.

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