Anchors used for the Montauk 170

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Anchors used for the Montauk 170

Postby Clay » Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:24 pm

Would Montauk 170 owners would be willing to share what they use for anchors and rodes?

I will be boating on inland lakes and anchoring primarily for fishing and swimming. I have a lot of experience with anchors and rodes on sailboats used on the ocean but haven't yet purchased these for my new 170 MONTAUK. Many thanks.

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Re: Anchors used for the Montauk 170

Postby ConB » Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:02 pm

I have always liked the Danforth anchors. I anchor mostly in sand and maybe light weeds.

I carry a Danforth 12-lbs high-tensile and a 5-lbs high-tensile on my Outrage 18. The 12-lbs was off a bigger sail boat and bought and paid for.

There is three feet of 3/8-inch chain on each.

For rode on the 12-lbs I have New England 1/2-inch three-strand twist. Line of 1/2-inch is easier on an old guys' hands.

The 5-lbs lunch hook has 3/8-inch New England three-strand twist.

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Re: Anchors used for the Montauk 170

Postby Jefecinco » Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:47 pm

I would think inland lake bottoms would be mostly mud. I like plow anchors in soft or semi-soft mud as they bury quickly and are very easy to break out with a vertical pull. I also use the plow in sand where it performs well but may require a little more scope. Unless you plan to use an anchor windlass I recommend you use five braid line for your rode with the appropriate length of chain.

Defender supplied my current anchor and rode with five braid line and stainless steel chain. The brand of line you choose is not an important factor just choose nylon five braid for its comfort on the hands. For the length of your rode just apply the deepest water in which you expect to find yourself. I believe a 5:1 ratio is sufficient for all but the very worst conditions.

Our plow anchor equipped boat is a 190 Montauk. We also have a Sport 13 but make do with a Danforth-style lunch hook on that boat with quarter-inch double braid line and no chain.
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Re: Anchors used for the Montauk 170

Postby Hoosier » Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:47 pm

Look up Chene Anchors. I've been using them for [more than] 20-years and they work almost all the time. The times they don't work either I shouldn't have been out on the water or the bottom was muck and nothing would've held.
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Re: Anchors used for the Montauk 170

Postby jimh » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:22 pm

I have never heard of Chene Anchors.

I have never heard of five-braid line. ( I have heard of 8-strand pleated line for an anchor.)

It would be helpful if those recommending these components provide links to the manufacturer or vendors.

I use a steel Danforth-style anchor with about six feet of chain. The rode is double-braided nylon--more expensive but easier on the hands. We might have to anchor in 30-feet of water, so the rode is 150-feet. All this was on the boat (Revenge 22) when I bought it, and I find it works quite well.

Lake bottoms often have heavy vegetation. The Danforth will penetrate vegetation when plow anchors won't. ANECDOTE: I watched a fellow trying to set an anchor in THE POOL, an anchorage known for a very weedy bottom. His boat was a 65-foot very heavy wooden ketch. He tried several times to set his CQR-Plow, but had no luck. He retrieved the plow, heavily tangled with bottom weeds, as was his all-chain rode. It took him about 30-minutes with a hose and nozzle to wash off all the weeds tangled in the chain and on the anchor. Then he switched to his Danforth. It set on the first try.

Plow anchors are quite nicely suited for stowing on a bow pulpit. This is often seen on larger boats. But on a small boat, I don't think it is particularly necessary to have the anchor stowed on the bow pulpit. One very important drawback of stowing the anchor on the bow pulpit is clearance to the tow vehicle when on the trailer. (In my boat-trailer rig, I can barely open the back door of my Suburban as it just clears the bow pulpit. If there were an anchor on the pulpit, I could not open the back door of the truck. Of course, this may not be a problem for a 190 MONTAUK and trailer, if the trailer tongue is long.)

Another drawback of stowing the anchor on the pulpit is weight distribution. If you want to raise the bow with engine trim, an anchor sitting as far forward as possible on the bow has the greatest leverage working against the bow being raised. As a general rule for stability, you want to keep weight out of the far ends of a boat. Of course, with an outboard, you cannot avoid the weight on the transom. But the bow moves up and down in waves, and the more weight in the bow and the more forward that weight is located, the more the bow is going to pound down. The weight might not matter much on a 35,00-lbs sailboat, but on a smaller, much lighter outboard planning hull, extra weight at the bow is probably not a bonus.

If starting from scratch, I'd look at the FORTRESS aluminum anchors. I find I am getting a bit too old to haul up a 16-lbs anchor, 10-lbs of chain, and 50-lbs of weed and mud. The FORTRESS is more expensive than steel. It seems to work very well for its weight. Whatever the manufacturer recommends, I'd move up one size.


LINKS:

FORTRESS ANCHOR
http://fortressanchors.com/selection-gu ... &Unit=Feet

DOUBLE BRAID ANCHOR LINE
http://www.neropes.com/new-england-rope ... braid.html

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Re: Anchors used for the Montauk 170

Postby frontier » Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:09 pm

I agree with Hoosier about the Chene anchor. They are lightweight, simple to use and no chain required or recommended. Retrievable straight up and can be used with a lot less anchor line. 2:1 instead of 7:1. We use the Chene #25 (for boats 12' to 25') in our classic Montauk.

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Re: Anchors used for the Montauk 170

Postby jimh » Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:06 pm

Can someone point to a manufacturer's website for this much-regarded anchor I have never heard of?

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Re: Anchors used for the Montauk 170

Postby frontier » Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:33 pm

Made in USA. JE Chene Company. Fenton Michigan. cheneanchor.com

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Re: Anchors used for the Montauk 170

Postby jimh » Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:31 pm

Is there a website URL in there somewhere?

Fenton, Michigan, is in my backyard, but I still never heard of this company.

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Re: Anchors used for the Montauk 170

Postby porthole » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:58 am

Clay wrote:Would Montauk 170 owners would be willing to share what they use for anchors and rodes?

Don't have a 17 Montauk, but I have used the same anchor--FORTRESS FX-7--on three Whalers so far.

--1983 15 Whaler
--1997 17 Outrage II
--1999 21 Outrage

Fortress FX-7

On the 15 I used four to five feet of stainless 1/4-inch chain and 3/8-inch three-strand rode
On the 17 I used 15 feet of stainless 1/4-inch chain and 3/8-inch three-strand rode
On the 21 I use 15 feet of stainless 1/4-inch chain and 1/2-inch three-strand rode
On all three I have always spliced the line directly to the chain.

No rust and a light weigh anchor makes it easy to handle.
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Re: Anchors used for the Montauk 170

Postby 6992WHALER » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:22 pm

Danforth 5-lbs high-tensile, is what I have on my 1966 16'. Small enough to fit in the locker but strong enough to do the job.

I boat on inland lakes.

It is hard to compare a Chene anchor as they have no holding power table that I could find.

Also the chain is not only to help place the flukes in the bottom it is also there to protect the line from stuff on the bottom

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Re: Anchors used for the Montauk 170

Postby Dutchman » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:49 am

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Re: Anchors used for the Montauk 170

Postby jimh » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:57 pm

Thanks for the link. I think the picture of the old guy in Bermuda shorts standing on his pontoon boat holding the little anchor with an all-rope rode says it all.

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Re: Anchors used for the Montauk 170

Postby Jefecinco » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:24 am

This discussion has taught me something. I am a long term owner and user of a "Chene" anchor. I bought the anchor in the seventies to use as a "lunch hook" for our SeaRay 24 Sundancer. It was small enough to stow under the pilot seat and I would tie it off using a stern cleat when it was deployed. That was much more convenient than using the forward anchor locker and larger Danforth and rode for fair weather short term anchoring.

For all these years I thought the anchor was simply a slightly modified Danforth anchor. I believe we bought the anchor from the original BOAT/US store in Alexandria, VA.

The "Chene" sets quickly and holds well. We now use it on our Sport 13. The anchor is small and thus is a good match for the 13.
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Re: Anchors used for the Montauk 170

Postby Wweez » Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:50 pm

What fits in the hole?

How deep?

What is the bottom where you anchor. Is the bottom rock, mud, level, ridges and gullies?

Do you anchor in about the same place and stuff each time? '

Each area is unique in bottom stucture and general depth of anchoring. Paint yourself a picture of the bottom and your relation to it. Inland lake to 150 ft deep. The 170 is not anchored in 150-feet of water without some extra planning. Generally we are in a cove or other area not so deep.

I carry a coated danforth style (which is not a great digger, but it fits and does not damage the boat as quickly) plus a 10-lbs mushroom as a rode rider 10 to 15-feet from anchor, for deeper windier days. 150-feet of 3/8-inch nylon plus an extra 150-feet of poly. I do not like chain on my fiberglass boat. All fits in the locker.

In the next incarnation chain may be the only thing.

A fortress may be better, but costs much more.

For general anchoring all over the lake in 18-foot sea arks we carry claw style anchors [with] 6 to 10-feet of chain and 200-feet sections of 3/8-inch braid. Over 30 years, the claws have proven themselves, even though they are more difficult to store.

There may be a perfect anchor for your boat and use-- like the coated v. the fortress--but [the perfect anchor] may be four times as expensive. Lake Travis, Texas, eats anchors, so the best choice takes that into account.

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Re: Anchors used for the Montauk 170

Postby Ridge Runner » Tue May 02, 2017 11:53 am

On My Montauk 170 I use a Fortress FX-7 with 8 feet of stainless steel chain as my main anchor and a Fortress Guardian G-5 as my stern and back-up anchor. Most of my anchoring is in sand and soft mud and this set-up has suited me well.
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Re: Anchors used for the Montauk 170

Postby Jefecinco » Wed May 03, 2017 9:33 am

We used a Fortress anchor for several years with our Dauntless 16. The rode was nylon line with an eight foot chain. In most conditions it worked well and the light weight was a big plus. However, when using the anchor in strong currents it would "fly" with the current because of it's light weight. This was a definite problem because to set the anchor we had to back down into the current and the anchor would inevitably break free when the boat moved downstream. At times the anchor would simply not each the bottom. We were usually able to set the anchor well enough to hold by deploying it behind the transom while proceeding downstream at a higher speed than we liked. We had better success with an inexpensive mud anchor of much heavier weight when the Fortress failed us.
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Re: Anchors used for the Montauk 170

Postby ConB » Wed May 03, 2017 4:57 pm

I guess I don't get why you would use a light weight aluminum anchor and then wrestle 8' feet of steel chain.

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Re: Anchors used for the Montauk 170

Postby Jefecinco » Wed May 03, 2017 7:13 pm

My training, Con. But remember it's the package weight that matters and every little bit helps when the Admiral is handling the ground tackle.
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Re: Anchors used for the Montauk 170

Postby ConB » Wed May 03, 2017 8:17 pm

Butch, the Admiral I sail with always drove while I handled the ground tackle. I'll tell her how things are down your way.

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Re: Anchors used for the Montauk 170

Postby Clay » Thu May 25, 2017 6:21 pm

I took delivery of our Montauk 170 about three weeks ago. How surprised we were to find a 9-lbs Danforth and 50-feet of rode in the locker along with two fenders, a throw cushion, a paddle, and three dock lines. This was gear we didn't know we were getting. Part of some kind of Boston Whaler promotion. No extra charge. I replaced the cheaper rode with 10-feet of chain and 150-feet of New England Ropes 3/8-inch three-strand.

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Re: Anchors used for the Montauk 170

Postby Dutchman » Tue May 30, 2017 3:45 pm

Cal that must have been a nice surprise but I say expected with the high purchase you made.
I also bet you that the rode that was include had the strength needed for your 170. How often do you anchor and then for how long. I assume seldom and short so all you need is an anchor that sets in the bottom you'll encounter the most.
What you have will do the job.
You must have enjoyed your new Montauk over the long weekend I love the 170 now if I only could convince the Admiral of the same, you're lucky.
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Re: Anchors used for the Montauk 170

Postby Clay » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:08 pm

We anchor frequently but not for long periods, in high wind, or in current. What we have is more than adequate. And yes, we have been greatly enjoying the boat. Use it weekly and are very satisfied with our choice.