210 MONTAUK v. Classic OUTRAGE 22

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210 MONTAUK v. Classic OUTRAGE 22

Postby jimh » Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:07 am

A few days ago we were at the ramp and loading CONTINUOUSWAVE (the boat) onto its trailer. My boat's classic 22-foot Outrage-style V-hull was slowing coming onto the trailer bunks as I cranked the winch, when I looked up to see a new Boston Whaler 210 MONTAUK coming toward the other side of the courtesy dock to also haul out. It was my first encounter on the water and at close range with the 210 MONTAUK.

I was struck by the size of the 210 MONTAUK--it's a big boat and looks like a tank coming toward you from a low perspective. I was seeing it from a low angle as I had waded into the water a few feet to connect the which strap to the bow eye. The beam is an impressive 8-foot 6-inch, which puts the boat at the maximum width for trailer-towing on most highways without needing any special over-wide permitting. My classic 22-foot hull has only 7-foot 5-inch beam, so the new design is over one foot wider. Here are more specification comparisons:

210 MONTAUK v. 22 OUTRAGE
Length: 21-feet 4-inches v. 22-feet 2-inches
Beam: 8-feet 6-inches v. 7-feet 5-inches
Draft: 12.5-inches v. 14-inches
Dry Weight: 2,500-lbs v. 2,050-lbs
Swamped Capacity: 4,200-lbs v. 5,000-lbs
Maximum Power: 200-HP v. 240-HP
Deadrise at transom: 16-degrees v. [unspecified]

Although the classic hull is 10-inches longer, the 210 MONTAUK has 13-inches of greater beam along almost all of its 21-feet 4-inch long hull. If we compare cockpit area using just a rough estimate (length-times-beam), we get:

210 MONTAUK = 21.33 x 8.5 = 181.3 square-feet
OUTRAGE 22 = 22.167 c 7.4167 = 164.4-square-feet

This gives the 210 MONTAUK about 10-percent more cockpit area than the classic. The 210 MONTAUK also looks like its bow is more squared than the classic 22-hull, which suggests an even greater advantage in cockpit area.

The newer hull is also heavier, about 450-lbs more than the old 22-hull. That 450-lbs is also the difference in the swamped capacity, with the older hull having a higher rating. Despite the higher weight, the 210 MONTAUK has less draft, which is likely due to the wider beam.

If we look at the length-to-beam ratio of the hull we find:

Length-to-beam ratio
210 MONTAUK = 2.5:1
OUTRAGE 22 = 3:1

The classic hull has a higher length-to-beam ratio, which is generally considered to be a good indicator of how the hull will behave in head seas, although the hull form will certainly play an important role in that aspect of performance.

A long-standing difference between the MONTAUK and OUTRAGE series has been the hull form. The MONTAUK boats have tended to have a slightly rounded bottom while OUTRAGE boats have always had a distinctively V-hull shape. The rounded hull form should have more lateral stability than a V-hull form, and greater beam should also contribute to lateral stability. Taking the two factors into account suggests that the 210 MONTAUK would be an extremely stable hull and would have very good initial roll resistance compared to the moderate V-hull form of the classic OUTRAGE 22.

The older 22-foot hull has a higher maximum power rating (240 v. 200). It would be interesting to see which boat was faster with its maximum rated power. In smooth water the 210 MONTAUK hull might be more efficient on plane due to its wider beam and rounded hull form, and with 200-HP it might overcome its 450-lbs weight disadvantage.

The deadrise angle at the transom for the 210 is specified as 16-degrees. There never was a specification for deadrise in the classic 22-foot hull, but a number of estimates and measurements have found that the older hull has a deadrise of around 16-degrees.

When I had my boat loaded on the trailer, I saw that a third boat had come to the ramp area to launch, so I pulled out of the ramp area. I moved away to the rigging or preparation area, and finished getting the boat ready for the highway. The 210 MONTAUK stayed at the ramp area, and I didn't get a chance to look more closely at it or chat with the owner. I didn't even see what engine was on the boat--the standard 150 FOURSTROKE or the optional four-cylinder VERADO 200 FOURSTROKE or six-cylinder VERADO 200 FOURSTROKE.

Later, I looked up the 210 MONTAUK on the Whaler website to see that the MSRP would be. With just a few essential options, I discovered that a new 210 MONTAUK can cost $66,000 at retail. I don't have any historical price information on a classic OUTRAGE 22 boat, but I suspect that back in c.1992 when they were last being made in any significant numbers, they were also expensive boats.

My overall initial impression of the 210 MONTAUK: it's a big boat and perhaps comes the closest of all the boats in the present Boston Whaler line to being similar to the classic 22-foot Outrage hull.

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Re: 210 MONTAUK v. Classic OUTRAGE 22

Postby Ridge Runner » Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:36 pm

Very nice write-up of your observational and statistical comparison of the two boats.

When I choose to move up from a 170 Montauk to the 210 Montauk I was also struck by the size of the boat. It is a large 21 foot boat. The size of the bow and cockpit area is hard to match in any-other 21 foot boat.

Having ridden in an classic 22' Outrage, as you have described in the hull differences, the ride is very different. As the 22' Outrage will "slice" through the chop the 210 Montauk will "pound" and come down hard as it lands on its rounded stern. I am currently using the boat in Raritan Bay, NJ and run around Sandy Hook beach into the ocean up to 10 miles off-shore; the ride can be a little bit jarring in heavy chop. My ultimate home and use of the 210 Montauk will be in Charlotte Harbor, Florida with a good mix of shallow water fishing, in-shore running, water sports and an occasional run to an offshore reef. To which I believe the 210 Montauk is very well suited to excel.

As I did "swap" out the factory Mercury engine for a G2 E-Tec 200 H.O. my performance results are a bit of a one-off but in-line with the six-cylinder VERADO 200 FOURSTROKE. My best top speed to date is right at 52-MPH with a 17-pitch propeller. I do believe I am very slightly under-propped and could run another inch of pitch going to an 18-pitch propeller, which should push the top speed up a MPH or two.

Drift fishing for fluke, with my daughter, off of Sandy Hook, NJ in a very nice slow ocean rolling sea:

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Re: 210 MONTAUK v. Classic OUTRAGE 22

Postby Ridge Runner » Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:31 am

Comparison images of the hulls:

22' Outrage (from the Cetacea section):

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210 Montauk:

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Re: 210 MONTAUK v. Classic OUTRAGE 22

Postby Rinoue » Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:18 pm

That's my 2013 210 Montauk when delivered! I see my wife and a dog in the pictire.

The front deck is pretty big. Four people can hang out easily. I sometime get out Moriches Inlet in Long Island for Seabass fishing, but it's quite stable. I installed a pair of Bennett Bolt 12 x 9 trim tabs, and they make a big difference in choppy water.

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Re: 210 MONTAUK v. Classic OUTRAGE 22

Postby jimh » Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:42 pm

RINOUE--I see you posted several images of your 210 MONTAUK to THT in 2014. I like this one better to show the hull form:

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Re: 210 MONTAUK v. Classic OUTRAGE 22

Postby Dutchman » Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:21 pm

Great boats the classic 22 and the new 210
If she only lets me buy a towing vehicle I find a way for the boat.
Great to see the comparison.
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Re: 210 MONTAUK v. Classic OUTRAGE 22

Postby jimh » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:15 pm

I'd like to see a view of the transom of the 210 MONTAUK (out of the water) from directly astern, so the hull bottom shape can be better seen. From the images shown so far, I am beginning to think there is more of a V-hull on that boat than I suspect.