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Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:48 pm
by jimh
As had been rumored, Boston Whaler revealed a new model, the 2018 170 MONTAUK boat. The website at WHALER.COM now has details as of this afternoon.

The new model differs from prior 170 MONTAUK boats most significantly as follows:

--integrated 25-gallon fuel tank for added range; this replaces on-deck plastic fuel tanks

--new integrated forward fishbox with overboard drain; apparently a new feature or adaptation of an existing option

--optional Teak Package with teak boarding steps and swim ladder flooring; dress up the boat for $481 with some classic teak trim

--optional engine is now Mercury [115-HP] FOURSTROKE Command Thrust--a $990 upgrade from the non-Command Thrust 90-HP engine

See more data and pictures at ... tauk-2018/

Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:09 pm
by jimh
There are many options for railings. As best I can tell, the STANDARD equipment for railing is a high-profile bow railing and high profile side railings. The options are:

--low profile bow rails; replaces standard bow railing;

--split bow rail with high side rails; replaces standard bow railing; not compatible with with trolling motor panel option;

--low profile aft [side] rail; replaces standard side rails

--complete rail package, with high bow rail, low profile bow rail, high aft rail, low profile aft rail

Many images in the gallery show the new 2018 170 MONTAUK with no high-profile bow rail or side rails, but with very low profile railings on the inside of the gunwales at the bow and sides. I presume those boats have the two options for low-profile rails at bow and side.

Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:19 pm
by jimh
There is also another new model, the 2018 150 MONTAUK. We can examine that in a separate thread, but I wanted to just mention it, too, was announced today.

Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:33 pm
by blavid
They also introduced the 350 Realm. Looks like a cross between an Outrage and the Vantage models -- a center console with a small cabin for protection from the elements whilst also proving entertainment provisions and some "fishability"

Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:48 pm
by frontier
[The just announced 2018 Boston Whaler 170 MONTAUK is a] [v]ery nice looking boat. I was wondering from where the extra 300-lbs in weight comes compared to the 2017 Montauk 170, but noticed the 2018 version is both longer and wider. 1700-lbs weight is getting close to double the weight of a classic Montauk. I can see why they offer a 115-HP option.

Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:17 pm
by Jefecinco
The new 170 Montauk with the right accessories is going to be a terrific small bay boat. I predict it will be very popular amongst anglers.

Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:44 pm
by Masbama
Love the look of the new 170. To me it is everything the 170 Dauntless is not (especially now with 115hp option). Interesting that it only weighs a hundred pounds less than my 1999 Dauntless 18.

Butch: Gonna go for three?

Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:44 pm
by jimh
I didn't notice the different hull dimensions. Here is a comparison:

MONTAUK 170 v. MONTAUK 170 2018

Length = 17-feet v. 17-feet 4-inches; 4-inches longer
Beam = 6-feet 10-inches v. 7-feet 3-inches; 5-inches wider
Draft = 9-iniches v. 12-inches; 3-inches more draft
Dry Weight = 1,400 v. 1,700-lbs; 300-lbs heavier
Max. Wt. Capacity = 1,650 v. 1,900-lbs; 250-lbs more capacity
Swamped Capacity = 3,400-lbs v. 2,800-lbs; loss of 600-lbs swamped capacity
Person Capacity = 7 for both
Maximum HP = 90 v. 115-HP; 25-HP increase
Minimum HP = 60 v. 90-HP; 30-HP increase
Deadrise at transom = 16-degrees for both

MONTAUK 170 v. MONTAUK 170 2018

MSRP = $30,971 v. $32,241; a price increase of $1,270

Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:05 am
by Marko888
Many of these numbers (except the LOA) are very close to those of the classic Outrage 18.
If it packed more fuel, it would almost be its equal. Beautiful boat.

Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:08 pm
by Ridge Runner
Here are few pictures of the new 2018 170 Montauk from the Sarasota Florida Boston Whaler dealer meeting (originally posted on Facebook by Hampton Watercraft and Marine):
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Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:12 am
by Jefecinco
The teak covering boards look like an afterthought. I would give them a pass.

The teak on the boarding platform looks okay, but why have so little on the boat? I don't believe I would have it as it is so unnoticeable it's hardly worth the maintenance it will require. For me, use teak or don't, a few little dabs just look out of place.

With or without the trim, that's a fine looking Montauk and I'd be delighted to own it.

Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:19 am
by Masbama
I wonder how the ride compares to the 2017 170 Montauk?

Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:31 pm
by Phil T
We really should refer to the 2018 and future year model of the 170 Montauk as the "170 Montauk II" since it is similar but significantly different than a 2003-2017 Montauk.

Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:12 pm
by Ridge Runner
As mentioned in another thread - with a length of 17' 4" the Boston Whaler marketing department could have easily named this a "175 Montauk".

Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:44 pm
by myakka
I had a job out on Longboat Key and, after I was finished, attempted to get a first hand look at the new Montauk. The only one in captivity had already been sold and they were [the selling dealer] VERY interested in me buying a leftover Montauk. They [the seller dealer] are saying 60 days on the new Montauk

Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:24 pm
by jimh
Re the naming of the boat: I tend to leave that to Boston Whaler, as they seem to be able to figure out boat model names rather well. As for a model 175 MONTAUK, I don't see the ending-in-5 as an obstacle; the 345 CONQUEST broke the only-end-in-zero pattern already.

Going forward, I suspect that it won't take long for there to be only one 170 MONTAUK in production--the newest model. The c.2002 170 MONTAUK will not be made much longer. That was the fate of the classic MONTAUK 17 once the 170 MONTAUK came out in c.2002. We will probably see a repeat, and the c.2002 model will end its 15-year run.

Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:19 am
by frontier
Yesterday I saw the new 2018 170 Montauk in person and came away VERY impressed with the high attention to detail and quality in the twin bow lockers, the new style [combined sidelights navigation lamp], the center console flush-mounted windshield, and the interior design. The boat looks like a winner to me.

Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:52 pm
by Mambo Minnow
I got to view the 2018 170 Montauk today. It is a nice boat which feels bigger. It came with a swing tongue trailer. Might need to upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

[Moved from another thread discussing a different boat--jimh]

Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:42 am
by jackjax
The stern is eerily similar to my 1997 Dauntless 17'. I wonder how much trade it will cost to get this new Montauk.

Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:22 pm
by GWD
Just purchased a 2018 Montauk 170 at a boat show. The dealer advised the 90 HP for normal use, the 115 HP for heavy loads and pulling skiers. Since I will be mostly fishing with my wife, I went with the 90 HP. But the choice can be changed since the boat is on order.

Any opinions about the motor choice? The $1000 difference is not a big factor and fuel use is not either given the new large gas tank. But I need trolling efficiency rather than raw power.

Also, I wanted to get a jump on the features and operation so tried to find a manual for the 2018 on the Boston Whaler homepage. No luck. The latest they have is for the 2017. There are likely several similarities - probably 95% or so. But I still would like a 2018 owner's manual. Does anyone have a source or lead on where it might be downloaded?

The Whaler is a BIG upgrade from a 30 year old 14' Livingston that was called the "poor man's Boston Whaler" back when I bought it new with a 25 HP Johnson.

Thank you for any insights.

Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:54 pm
by Phil T
G -

Congratulations, you must be excited.

The Montauk 170 I (2002-2017) has a max hp of 90 hp. You can see the performance report here:
Note the boat has practically no gear, only 2 small people on very warm days.

The Montauk 170 II (2018 ->) is approximately 300 lbs heavier, 4" longer, 5" wider.

The Montauk 170 II's Performance report is here:

In summary, lightly loaded with 2 people, 25 gallons of gas and an anchor, the 115hp motor gets you a WOT speed 6 mph higher in idilic conditions.

Adding bottom paint reduces WOT by 2-3 mph.

Boston Whaler tends to be conservative on the maximum horsepower ratings. E.G. Montauk 150, Montauk 170 I.

Consider if you are on the ocean or lake with a bit of a sea. Factor in an ocean current, mild breeze, add 2 adults, a dog or a child (or two). Add weight of boat gear, required safety equipment, ice chest for food, fishing supplies, bait and changes of clothes.

Run the numbers and see if it is worth it in your situation.

Personally, I would strongly consider the 115hp for the 5% cases when you need it. I have been in a few situations with my boat when I had a decent load and was running very hard to get out of a rapidly deteriorating situation as quickly as possible.

Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:42 pm
by GWD
Thank you for the detailed and rapid response. Very informative post to help guide my thoughts.

Coming from a 14-foot fishing boat that makes 22-MPH at best, the 40-MPH number is eye popping. My wife thought the old boat was too fast. Don't know what she'll think of this new screamer. And at 46-MPH she would likely never go out again.

My wife and I are not seafarers. She absolutely refuses to go to the Farallon Islands outside of San Francisco Bay even if in a 60-foot cabin cruiser. So we mostly lake fish and sometimes go to anchor in the SF Bay and Delta. Additionally, every trip is in bluebird weather.

Since we are somewhat old folks (70's) and retired, we are not in a hurry. After looking at the engine numbers, we will stick with the 90-HP and likely be impressed at the performance as is.

Your motor recommendation is very valid for folks that might go out in questionable conditions but we try to avoid any chance of dangerous weather.

Once again, thank you very much for the time and effort to create such an in-depth response.

Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:41 pm
by Dutchman
GWD--there is a difference in going 100-MPH in a Bentley and 100-MPH in a Yugo. I'll bet she won't know your going 25-MPH or even 30-MPH in the 170. [Ability to put on extra speed] is great safety to have when you need to go faster.

I assume your 14-foot boat had a two-stroke-power-cycle engine, which was loud. These new Mercury FOURSTROKE outboards run much quieter, making you think you go slower.

Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:04 pm
by GWD
Thank you for the advice.

I'm hoping to see just what you point out. The 170 just has to be smoother over wakes and rough water. The new Merc should be a lot quieter than the old 25 HP Johnson 2-stroke. Even at idle it made lots of noise. That is one reason we went to a MinnKota 55 for trolling on the old boat.

Of course, a tiller electric trolling motor simply won't work well on the 170 so it would be nice if the Merc is very quiet at trolling speed. Plus, the improved control in the wind and current provided by a gas motor over an electric will be welcome. My 14' Livingston has a high profile freeboard that was easily put off course by wind.

Another factor that was considered is that there are two seats at the center steering console and her sitting behind the windshield should lower the perception of speed as well. Never having owned a center console boat, only time will tell about this effect.

Apparently the demand for this model is quite high. Mine is being factory built and marked as "sold" according to the dealer. Nothing is really special except the split front rail. Anyway, the dealer expects delivery at the end of May...chomping at the bit.

I don't HAVE my wife do anything. I ask. You are married aren't you? :)

Re: 2018 170 Montauk Thoughts and Experiences

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 9:38 am
by ConB
The new 2018 Montauk line looks good to me. I've looked at a couple of 170 MONTAUK boats. I would want the 115-HP engine.

Have your dealer take you for a boat ride to help you decide.

The fuel tank does seem a little small.

Good luck--Con

Re: 2018 170 Montauk

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 11:49 am
by jimh
I don't expect that after 2018 the Boston Whaler company will be making two models of 170 MONTAUK; they'll just be making the newer 2018 model. On that basis and if buying a new boat, the better choice for retained future value is probably to buy the 2018 model.

Re: 2018 170 Montauk Fuel Tank Capacity

Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 11:53 am
by jimh
In regard to the utility of a 25-gallon fuel tank on a 17-foot boat: with modern outboard engines delivering fuel economy of 6-MPG or better, you'd have almost a 150-mile range with a 25-gallon fuel tank. If your planed use of the 17-foot boat requires a greater fuel endurance range than 150-miles, you will have to carry additional fuel aboard. See the performance data from Boston Whaler on the 2018 170 MONTAUK for more information about performance and fuel economy.

In any case, inasmuch as the older legacy 170 MONTAUK fuel was carried in two 6-gallon on-deck fuel tanks, or perhaps owner's upgraded to 22-gallon on-deck fuel tanks from aftermarket suppliers, I don't see how the feature of a 25-gallon fuel tank on the new 2018 MONTAUK could be considered to be a liability that limits fuel capacity. In general the MONTAUK series has always used on-deck fuel tanks, so the use of a below-deck integral 25-gallon fuel tank is really quite a nice upgrade for the MONTAUK.

Problems with adding fuel to integral below-deck fuel tanks are almost always related to blocked venting. Maintaining proper static trim on the boat during fueling (while either the boat is in the water or on a trailer) is essential for proper tank venting. Fueling with the boat trimmed down by the bow will always be a problem; fuel accumulates in the forward portion of the tank, blocking the vent. When on the water lateral trim on the boat may also be a factor. When fueling our Boston Whaler boat with below-deck fuel tank, we always try to maintain the boat trim so the filler side of the boat is higher than the other side, and the boat is not trimmed down by the bow. At a highway fuel station where the grade has a slope, we approach the pump so the bow is on the uphill side.

Boston Whaler has been building boats with integral fuel tanks for decades, so I would expect they are familiar with the proper installation of below-deck fuel tanks. Before deciding there was an error in the design of the fuel tank on this new model Boston Whaler boats, I would have to get some first-hand reports from owners. And I'd have to hear more about the circumstances, the boat trim, were people sitting on the boat at the bow, and so on.

Re: 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:12 am
by GWD
My 2018 Montauk 170 finally arrived after a four-month wait. Since there were build items that were attractive the wait was worth the four months.

The dealer took three weeks to rig it as we wanted:

—Raymarine Axiom 9 MFD
—MinnKota Ulterra iPilot and Heading Sensor
—two Cannon Magnum 10 STX downriggers
—three batteries and special independent charger and circuit breakers for each.

Total price was $50,000.

I've had the 2018 170 MONTAUK on the water only once after the mandatory Whaler training session. It was a windy day on a large local lake so small whitecaps were the norm in an on and off 10 knot wind. My experience:

The Mercury 90 is plenty fast for me after my 14' Livingstone and Johnson 25-HP—almost double the top speed. I Can't keep a hat on, and it is doubtful that I'd every need to run from weather. The ride is very smooth and quiet at any speed with whitecaps and over wakes. Got boatspeed to near 40-MPH. Hydraulic steering is nice but I tend to over-correct due to inexperience. Still working on proper trimming. Motor starts were immediate.

I didn't like the distortion of the plexiglass windscreen. Standing while underway at speed is much safer for spotting other boats and possible swimmers.

Being able to move around the stable boat is a luxury. Plenty of hand-holds with the tall rails. The wider beam certainly is noticeable for the extra room. The rear seats are expensive but worth it as is the seat cooler in the fishing package. The bow cushions give comfortable stretch-out room. With the Bimini top it is easy to find shade somewhere on the boat as the trolling path changes. Very early morning is the only time the sun hits everywhere but it is usually a cool time of day then and the sun is less intense.

I'm fairly tall at 6'2" and haven't mastered getting on and off by stepping through the Bimini support struts. Kind of a stumble-bum experience. I'll practice stepping over the rails next time out - maybe wear a swimsuit as well just in case! Besides, then the swimming platform can be tried out - didn't get to testing it yet.

The Bimini top is easy to deploy and fold up. The zippered cover allows the top to remain vertical while towing. No flapping was noticed at 60 mph.

The Raymarine sonar and chart is complex with extensive settings. It has taken much time to dial in and get it set up for my uses. Well, "get it closer" is probably a better description. The manual must have been read ten times - there is a "basic" manual and an "advanced" manual. YouTube videos have not been much help nor have the Raymarine site videos. There seems to be no fish beeps or fish visuals as on my old Humminbird finders.

The MinnKota Ulterra trolling motor is a pure joy. It takes you where you want to go at the speed you want to travel. Auto Pilot maintains whatever heading and Cruise Control holds the speed. In the wind the motor is constantly correcting itself from the bow mount as I sit back, watch, and smile. With the Livingston it was a constant struggle to maintain a heading and much correcting was needed from the stern mount especially in the wind or current. Then, with a fish on, it was "fight, correct, fight, correct, etc., etc." On the next trip we will give the iTrack a try. It records a route and the motor can be directed to repeat the route with no user input once set. It can store 16 routes. And the Auto Deploy and Auto Store are amazing as well. Unfortunately, one has to actually manually turn the power on and off. Oh, the injustice: a button has to be pushed! The 24 Volt battery configuration was down to 23.9 Volts after three hours of trolling—started at about 24.8V.

The powered Cannon downriggers did not get much use since we were doing sea trials, but they were mounted and tried out for functioning. I fooled around with the Auto Stop function and used a split ring to attach the weight to the cable since I didn't have heavy clips along on this trip. Well, the split ring was too weak and stretched open dropping the 10-lbs weight with flashers to the bottom. A replacement weight arrived today - $50. Ouch.

All in all, we are very pleased with the 170 Montauk. Total control of all of the functions and equipment has not been mastered yet. Next trip should educate us some more.

Re: 2017 170 Montauk Compared to Newer Version

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:20 pm
by Clay
I bought a 2017 Montauk 170 last spring knowing that there were changes coming in 2018. It was a risk, but it turned out that we were glad we got a 2017 for a few reasons.

The 2017 hull draws 9-inched while the 2018 draws 12-inched. The lesser draft may not be a big deal to some, but on the lakes we cruise some of the channels can be pretty shallow, so 3-inches is a lot.

We like the portable tanks and have never had a problem with range.

A 90-HP engine is plenty of power for this boat, and 115-HP engine really isn’t needed.

The 2018 is a bit bigger and heavier, so the extra room would be nice. But my wife and I are in our 60’s so the size and weight we have is plenty for us.

Now that the 2018 version is out, I would recommend the 2018 because they made some worthwhile improvements. But if you can save some money on the 2017 and don’t really need 25 gallons of fuel, you’ll have a choice to make.

We did consider the Edgewater 170, also a great boat. But we chose the Boston Whaler because my wife preferred it and the resale is unbeatable. A great choice.

Re: 2018 170 Montauk Fuel Capacity

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:17 pm
by Dutchman
Re the limited fuel capacity [of the 2018 170 MONTAUK]: I think that is BS. You'll have a much larger internal tank than the two little carry-on fuel tanks [provided in the 2017 MONTAUK 170 model]. The carry-on fuel tanks take up valuable space now available for storage or live well.

[Sometime in May or June, 2018 or about] three months ago, my local dealer had me drive both models. The new 2018 does drive more nicely but [that impression may be] because I drove the 115-HP on the 2018 compared to the 90-HP on the 2017. Both are great boats. Each have advantages over the other. The 2018 stands out above. I'm not a speed demon but I liked the acceleration the 115 gave over the 90 even with an extra crew.

Re the 90-HP engine: We are talking still about a small boat. When you put seven good-size people that in total weigh 1,400-lbs on board a small boat, the weight will affect how a small boat operates.

The advantage of the 2017 would be its shallower draft--if you need shallow draft-- and a probably much-reduced price due to being an obsolete model.

Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:55 pm
by jimh
I don't know if you can be certain the old model will have a lower price. Often new models carry a very attractive price in the first year of their production. I think this is an incentive to launch the new model and encourage sales. When the original 170 MONTAUK was introduced, its price was many thousands of dollars less than the classic 17 MONTAUK it replaced that year.

Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:29 pm
by jimh
I don’t think of a 17-foot open skiff as a boat that will be or should be or was designed to be used with seven adults aboard that each weigh 200-lbs, and I would never worry than the bare minimum engine horsepower must be chosen so that the 17-foot open skiff boat can be nimbly accelerated onto plane with that sort of load.

I think of a Montauk 17-foot boat as a boat for one adult or two adults as the normal crewing, and perhaps once in a while another adult or maybe two, but not ever seven adults that all weigh 200-lbs,

If the normal and everyday and routine use of your boat requires that you take out seven adults that weigh 200-lbs on average, you need to get more boat than a 17-foot open skiff like a 170 Montauk.

Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:06 am
by Dutchman
jimh wrote:I don't know if you can be certain the old model will have a lower price. Often new models carry a very attractive price in the first year of their production.

Jim might be right, but that was not the case at Gull Lake Marine a little while ago in West Michigan.

The 2018 has a very favorable write up and review and therefore is in demand, Notice that three month ago you could build either a 2017 or a 2018 on the Boston Whaler web, now [the website responds to attempts to build a configuration for the 2017] model with:

“This model is no longer being produced and cannot be built new from the factory. Please choose another model from this family.”

That clearly indicates go with a 2018, therefore increasing demand for the 2018 resulting in higher prices.

Re: Boston Whaler Introduces the 2018 170 MONTAUK

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:36 am
by jimh
Re the Boston Whaler website: I noticed recently that the website explicitly denotes that actual retail prices are set by the authorized selling dealer.

I don’t think demand for the 2018 170 Montauk will automatically increase, that is become greater than demand was for the 2017 170 Montauk, if production of the 2017 model ends and the 2018 model is more expensive. That prediction remains to be fulfilled by new buyers who will pay more for the 2018 model than buyers were willing to pay for the “2017” model; that model goes back 15 years, and it has been a very popular model. The fact that you can no longer buy one from new production does not intrinsically mean the replacement model will outsell the old model. The bar has been set high.

In 2002 when the 170 Montauk was introduced its base price was only $17,655. That was about $4,000 less than the model it replaced. That very attractive price more or less guaranteed there wouldn’t be any competition from the old and more expensive model dragging away sales from the new model.

As mentioned above, we are now in a price range of $50,000 for these 17-foot boats. If demand actually does increase compared to the older and less expensive models, it may be due to buyers moving down in their boat buying because the can’t afford a bigger boat.