GUARDIAN 22

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Tesoro
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GUARDIAN 22

Postby Tesoro » Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:56 am

I have opportunity to buy [a boat the seller describes as a 1989 JUSTICE 21 but which we later find out is not]. I can[']t find any specs on the 21 Justice. I am assuming that it is just a 21 sport-version-outrage rigged with a diff[erent] console, [T]-top and railings. It used to be a police boat.

When I look at the reference site it shows the 21 [OUTRAGE] only having 9-inch draft--less than an 18 Outrage.

Is the justice a flat-bottom version for lakes and rivers?

It has the same draft as a montauk but [twice] the boat.

I was planning on picking it up to buzz around fishing near shore but need to have some wave handling characteristics.

Help

P.S. I have to buy it [based only on seeing] pictures which is fine with me. Price is right. I have had in the past 18, 22 and 25 OUTRAGE boats.

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Re: Info on Justice

Postby jimh » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:57 am

The 21 Outrage made in 1970 has a 9-inch draft and has no relevance to a 21Justice.

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Re: Info on Justice

Postby Tesoro » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:11 am

Would the one I am looking at being a 1989 model have the same hull as the 22[?]

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Re: Info on Justice

Postby Phil T » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:32 am

There are many instances of sellers mis-labeling Boston Whaler boats as well as calling boats a Boston Whaler when they are not.
Please post a photo of the candidate boat and we can determine what model it is.

Boston Whaler produced several models called Outrage that were ~21' LOA.

21' Outrage - 1970-1982.
Outrage 21 - 1993 - 1998 (Van Lacker design).
Outrage 21 - 1999- 2001
Outrage 210 - 2002 - 2008

The Justice 21 was a commercial version of the Outrage 21 offered by Boston Whaler's CGPD division (since renamed BCGP). This first appeared in the 1997 CPD catalog. It was based on the Van Lacker designed Outrage 21 introduced in 1992.
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Re: Info on Justice

Postby Tesoro » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:39 am

Here is the boat:

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Re: Info on Justice

Postby Phil T » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:50 am

That is a Guardian model. Based on the classic Outrage 20 or 22 made from mid to late 1980's.

A great boat.
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Re: Info on Justice

Postby Tesoro » Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:20 pm

Thanks. [I am buying] it.

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Re: Info on Justice

Postby Tesoro » Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:42 am

Does this Guardian have a heavier layup [than some other unspecified boat]?

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Re: Information in the REFERENCE Section

Postby jimh » Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:13 pm

Tesoro wrote:When I look at the reference site it shows the 21 [OUTRAGE] only having 9-inch draft...


Read the REFERENCE section more carefully to find the years of production for a particular model. You have made an error in your thinking by associating at boat made in 1970 with a boat you think was made in 1989 and have decided incorrectly must be the same model.

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Re: Determine layup from picture of boat

Postby jimh » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:49 am

Tesoro wrote:Does this Guardian have a heavier layup [than some other unspecified boat]?


If the boat you plan to buy that we are discussing was made as a commercial or government hull, the laminate schedule would typically have been thicker, stronger, and thus heavier than a boat molded as a recreational hull, but there is no way to know if that is true from a picture. Only Boston Whaler could know and only if they are given the Hull ID Number so they can consult their records.