1994 Outrage 19'- High waterline

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1994 Outrage 19'- High waterline

Postby rross » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:07 am

My 1994 19' Outrage sits so low in the water that seawater comes aboard through the scuppers.

The engine is an E-TEC 200. The engine weight is less than 100-lbs more from the 150-HP.

A Moisture meter and drilled-holes in the transom reveal some water, but nothing crazy.

What could be causing the boat to be so heavy and sit so low?

The boat 1994 OUTRAGE 19 is currently unusable.

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1994 Outrage 19' - high waterline

Postby Phil T » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:15 am

A waterline above the transom drains is not unheard of.

I would install ball type scupper covers.

One of several brands - https://www.boatoutfitters.com/flow-max-ball-scupper-clear?msclkid=733f78c999da132dc31127fe74ab5492&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=TNT_Shopping%20-%20Desktop&utm_term=4584963492513437&utm_content=All%20Products

I would take some photos showing the stern of the boat while empty, at rest with the engine down and post them for us to review.

What moveable weight is in the stern?
Have you inspected the bilge, rear under-deck areas for damage, unsealed holes etc?
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Re: 1994 Outrage 19'- High waterline

Postby rross » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:26 am

I considered the ball scuppers, but the water line is well above the scuppers. There is probably about 6" between the water line and the top of the transom where the engine mounts. I drilled a hole in the base of the transom and water wept out but nothing significant. The bilge is located forward of the helm under the seat in front of the helm and pumps a lot of water when water coming in through scuppers and into boat.

I have a few pics of the boat in the water, but I'm concerned about putting it back in. It is disconcerting when water is pouring in.
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Re: 1994 Outrage 19'- High waterline

Postby Phil T » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:55 am

Here are a few photos of other Outrage 19's showing stern position.

Note the waterline in relation to the Boston Whaler logo.
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Re: 1994 Outrage 19'- High waterline

Postby Phil T » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:00 am

My advice is to insert the drain plugs on the inside of all of the deck and splashwell drains and relaunch the boat.

Measure the waterline in relation to the Whaler logo.

While this model has the same hull design as the "classic" Outrage 18, it is 500 lbs heavier due to the additon of the floor liner, moulded livewell/seats and larger moulded/hinged console and aft seating suround. These additions resulted in a lower clearance of the top of the transom and the static waterline as shown in the photos above.

I had this same concern with my 1991 Outrage 17 due to a very heavy engine.

Shifting weight from the stern and plugging the drain tubes will minimize the stern down attitude.
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Re: 1994 Outrage 19'- High waterline

Postby Phil T » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:05 am

Once we work through the waterline concern, we really should discuss your engine rigging/prop selection and boat performance.

The engine is mounted significantly lower than it should be.
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Re: 1994 Outrage 19'- High waterline

Postby rross » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:49 am

Only problem with plugs is I lose the self bailing aspect of the design. Thanks for note on engine position. I noticed that too but wasn't sure whether my eyes we playing tricks on me or it is a real concern.

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Re: 1994 Outrage 19'- High waterline

Postby Phil T » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:09 pm

If you really want self-bail, consider ball type scuppers.

Many owners with different models, but the same concern, say it really helped.
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Re: 1994 Outrage 19'- High waterline

Postby Mattwarner » Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:12 pm

I was chatting to Phil earlier about the exact same topic having just purchased a 93 outrage II and concerned about the same thing, I’ve attached a pic of how mine sits with the scuppers under water at rest although I not get water in the splash well

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Re: 1994 Outrage 19'- High waterline

Postby jimh » Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:30 pm

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OUTRAGE 19 II underway

Here is another example of the waterline on a c.1992 Outrage 19 II with a 150-HP two-stroke-power-cycle engine.

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Re: 1994 Outrage 19'- High waterline

Postby rross » Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:36 pm

I am going to weigh the boat on August 17, 2020. I will post the measured weight.

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Re: 1994 Outrage 19'- High waterline

Postby RMB421 » Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:46 pm

I have 1990 Outrage 19, which, as mentioned above, is a different boat than the boat under discussion. It is lighter, and essentially the same boat as the Outrage 18.

The scuppers on my 1990 OUTRAGE 19 also sit below the waterline. The boat has two batteries and an oil tank in the engine splash well.

My solution [to the splash well drains or scupper
being submerged] was to install removable drain plugs on the inside.

My understanding that the ball-type scupper [valves] don't work below the waterline—is that correct?

Also, on my boat I couldn't find the ball-type scupper [valves] that fit. The ones I found (including the ones linked above) all fit a drain hole with an inside diameter of 1-1/8". The inside diameter on my drain holes are 1-1/4".

[Ball-type scupper valves] cover [the through hull drain] but you can't seat them flush with the transom because the circular indention that fits over the entire opening is too small, thus preventing a flush mount.

Maybe there are other models I just never found them.

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Re: 1994 Outrage 19'- High waterline

Postby dkbijl » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:57 pm

rross wrote:I am going to weigh the boat on August 17, 2020. I will post the measured weight.


Dear Ross—I have an identical boat and suffer from the same problem. I gathered [the cause] was because of my heavier Mercury 200 HP Optimax.

With fuel tank two-third-full the swimming platform is just below water level.

What came out of weighing the boat?