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1995 Outrage 24 Engine Mounting Height

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:34 am
by Acassidy
A 1995 Outrage 24 has a 2003 Yamaha 250 HPDI 30-inch-shaft engine. The engine is mounted at the lowest mounting position available. The person I bought the outboard from insisted on it being mounted as low as possible.

Using a straight edge to get the measurement, and with the [anti-ventilation] plate trimmed parallel to the hull bottom pad, the plate is 3-inches below the boat bottom;

I am borrowing a engine hoist and will lift up the outboard.

Four sets of mounting holes are available. If I understand correctly the vertical separation is 3/4-inch for each hole set.

By this math it seems like this Yamaha is very long for this boat.

The bottom of the hull is a rounded pad not a sharp Vee.

Q1: Should I move up the engine two holes (1-1/2-inch) making the [anti-ventilation] plate about 1-1/2-inch under the bottom?

Q2: Should I instead move up the engine three-holes making it at its highest position and putting the cavitation plate about 3/4-inch below the boat?

Q3: For anyone with c.1995 OUTRAGE 24 with a single (Yamaha) [30-inch shaft]engine: what is the engine mounting height?

Maybe I am measuring something wrong. Once I go to move the outboard I will measure it again to make sure.

My thoughts are that this is a heavy boat and is designed to make the outboard run deep and maybe I should embrace this fact and let it run deep and move the engine [to be mounted at two-holes up].

The propeller is a four-bladed aluminum Mercury-style 17-pItch. Top boat speed is 37- MPH at engine speed of 5,500-RPM. I am running this propeller as I add hours to the engine after the rebuild two-years ago. I am planning to put on a MIRAGE 17 propeller. I have MIRAGE 19. I plan to test propellers after I move up the engine mounting height.

The engine gear case is very deep while running, and I know the engine mounting height needs to come up.

This 2003 Yamaha 250 HPDI engine seems to be running very strong. I think the current [aluminum four-blade “Mercury-style 17-pitch] 14-1/2-inch diameter propeller is too small diameter, giving me poor efficiency.

The Mirage is 15-inch diameter and will be much better. Again, I have been using this [aluminum four-blade “Mercury-style 17-pitch] propeller to make it easier on the engine during break-in after the rebuild.

I really would like to move the engine mounting height once and be done.

Thanks for any help with this.

Re: Outboard mounting height 1995 Outrage 24'

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:08 am
by flymo
I am no expert on that boat, but your detailed measurements make it clear your engine is mounted way too low. I'm guessing your boat was designed for a 25" shaft engine, but I don't know for sure. In general, you want the AV plate somewhere around an inch above the keel.

In any case, best you can do right now is to raise it as high as you can. That will still leave you too low, but it will be much better than the current setup. I expect you'll find a huge difference in performance - the boat should get a bit faster, and the steering should be much lighter and more responsive. I don't know what your redline is on that engine but you may end up needing that 19-pitch prop.

Barring getting a new engine, you may eventually want to consider getting a jackplate to let you go up even more. A manual jackplate is not too expensive and will give you lots of flexibility.

Good luck, and please report how you make out with the changes.

Re: Outboard mounting height 1995 Outrage 24'

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:28 am
by Phil T
According to the specification sheet from Boston Whaler, the 1995 Outrage 24 does take a XXL, or 30", shaft.

As for your measurements, are you measuring down to the flat plate that is just above the prop and where the trim anode is installed? If so, has the transom been cut down? Would a photo help explain this?

Your target is to have the anti-cavitation plate to be 1 1/2- 2" above the bottom of the keel. Typically this translates to one or two holes up. This is also shown as follows:

top set of holes
0 <----"all the way down
0 <---- bolt here for 1 hole up
0 <---- bolt here for 2 holes up
0 <---- bolt here for 3 holes up

I would go for 2 holes up.

Re: Outboard mounting height 1995 Outrage 24'

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:02 am
by Acassidy
I plan to move the outboard this weekend. I borrowed a motor lift from a local fellow Whaler owner and I will move the boat to a flat surface to do the move.

The transom has not been altered in an way. It is all original. I was measuring down to [the hull bottom from] the top of the plate above the propeller where the anode is.

I measured the transom straight down and it looks to be just short of 30" (like 28-29 inches) and the outboard looks to be just a little longer than 30 inches. It is very difficult to measure the transom because the outboard is in the way.

Before I do the move I plan to measure it all again.

I may end up getting a manual jackplate in the future.

What are thoughts on sealant?

I used 4200 last time I installed it but am thinking Boatlife sealant for the reinstall.

What is the torque for the bolts and nut when I tighten them?

I am using Yamaha OEM mounting bolts.

Thanks again

Re: 1995 Outrage 24 Engine Mounting Height

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:37 am
by jimh
If the transom is designed for a 30-inch-shaft engine, and your engine is a 30-inch/shaft model, and if you want to change the engine mounting height only once, then you should probably move the engine to a two-holes-up mounting height from its present lowest-possible mounting height.

Re: 1995 Outrage 24 Engine Mounting Height

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:10 am
by Phil T
I never use 4200 or an adhesive. Always a sealant.

My preference is Boat Life brand.

Re: 1995 Outrage 24 Engine Mounting Height

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:06 pm
by Acassidy
Update on the motor move.

I moved the motor up 2 holes putting it on the 3 lower hole.
0<--- this hole

I pulled the boat out onto a flat surface and remeasured after the move before I sealed it and it looks like the cavitation plate looks to be perfectly level with the bottom of the boat. So it is all sealed up with clear boat life and ready to test run this Thursday.


Re: 1995 Outrage 24 Engine Mounting Height

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:00 am
by Jefecinco
I believe "clear" BoatLife is a silicon sealant. If so, consider replacing the silicon sealant with an underwater caulk such as BoatLife Caulk.

Re: 1995 Outrage 24 Engine Mounting Height

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:54 pm
by Acassidy
Actually this was not the silicone sealant but the above and below water line sealant which is exactly the same as the other colors. Boatlife LifeSeal. Its says on the front of the tube above and below line. I have been working on boat to long to make that mistake.
This one

Re: 1995 Outrage 24 Engine Mounting Height

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:17 am
by Jefecinco
Thanks for the information on the LifeSeal.

Re: 1995 Outrage 24 Engine Mounting Height

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:49 am
by biggiefl can use the tongue jack and a block of wood to raise an outboard. You remove the top bolts and loosen the lower ones, put a block under the lower unit and have somebody raise the trailer tongue until you get the holes lined up. Even if it was silicone, it is still fine for bolt holes.

I would want to be another 2" higher if not more personally.

Where is your outboard mechanic located? I want to swing by and slap him for ya.