Identify 21 or 22-foot Hull Model; Change Location of Cleats

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Identify 21 or 22-foot Hull Model; Change Location of Cleats

Postby Willie B » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:03 pm

Hi there. I’m trying to trace wood backing plates for clear positions on my whaler refit [on a hull initially identified as a 1994 Outrage 22 but later possibly identified as a 1994 21 Outrage but having an appearance that does not match the Boston Whaler documentation].

The cleats were previously mounted on deck, and I have noticed that a lot of Boston Whaler boats have them mounted on the side under the gunwale.

[seeks] any information on [the location of cleats and the location of wood backing plates].

I have researched the usual websites, and all the drawings of my boat and been removed.

Regards

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Re: Outrage 22 1994 Wood Location for cleats

Postby Phil T » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:20 pm

Willie -

I presume you mean a 1994 Outrage 21 since there was only a Outrage 21 and Outrage 24 model that year.

Here is a photo from the catalog showing the stern of the Outrage 21. I see the cleats on the top of the cap. If there is no wood, you should add aluminum backing plates. They should be through bolted.

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Here is the top view showing all the cleat locations

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Re: Outrage 22 1994 Wood Location for cleats

Postby Willie B » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:24 pm

Thanks Phil T,

Yes it probably is a Outrage 21, however the gunwales look different to mine.

I have done a tap test. There seems to be structure around the bulkhead just forward of the transom.

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Re: Outrage 22 1994 Wood Location for cleats

Postby Willie B » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:34 pm

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Re: Wood Location Diagram and Cleat Location

Postby jimh » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:28 pm

On classic Boston Whaler Outrage 22 notched transom boats in production in the 1980’s and into c.1992, the stern cleats are mounted to the inwhale, and a hawsepipe on the gunwale allows mooring lines to be lead to the cleats.

Distinguishing between a classic Outrage 22 boat and a c.1994 Outrage 21 ought to be able to be done based on more than just the location of the stern cleats.

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Re: Wood Location Diagram and Cleat Location

Postby Phil T » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:08 pm

W--if the boat is actually a 1994, I think,based on the splashwell design and the lifting eye, you may have a Guardian 22. It was a commercial-military version based on the Outrage 22 and was in production long after the recreational version ceased to be produced.
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Re: Wood Location Diagram and Cleat Location

Postby Willie B » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:23 pm

Ok thanks. So can the cleats be mounted on the side wall?

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Re: Wood Location Diagram and Cleat Location

Postby jimh » Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:37 pm

Phil—good deduction.

In the images above a lifting eye seems to appear on the hull, forward from the stern cleat and just aft of the rail base. A lifting eye would be appropriate on a military-use hull.

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Re: Wood Location Diagram and Cleat Location

Postby Willie B » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:31 am

There were four lifting eyes added. They were a retro fit as the boat was tender to a super yacht. (Talitha G)

I have the serial number and the boat was built in 1993, but launched in 1994.

I believe the super yacht ordered the boat from Whaler.

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Re: Wood Location Diagram and Cleat Location

Postby Willie B » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:35 am

Also the deck layout is different to the plans of the Outrage 21 deck plan above.

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Re: Wood Location Diagram and Cleat Location

Postby jimh » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:53 am

The lifting eye looks like rather fancy stainless steel, appropriate for a yacht.

Show us a wider view of the hull to aid identification.

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Re: Wood Location Diagram and Cleat Location

Postby Phil T » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:38 pm

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Re: Wood Location Diagram and Cleat Location

Postby Willie B » Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:26 am

Any feedback on upwall cleat positions?

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Re: Wood Location Diagram and Cleat Location

Postby jimh » Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:00 pm

That boat looks more like a classic Outrage V-20 hull, and not a 22-foot hull.

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Re: Wood Location Diagram and Cleat Location

Postby jimh » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:35 pm

Read about the Outrage V-20 in the REFERENCE section:

http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/V20Outrage/

There are many pictures of the V-20.

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Re: Wood Location Diagram and Cleat Location

Postby Willie B » Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:49 am

Thanks Jimh, I don’t think it’s a V-20 as the hull is from 1994 and the V-20 is older.

I still haven’t managed to find the answer to my original question of cleat positions.

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Re: Wood Location Diagram and Cleat Location

Postby Phil T » Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:44 pm

I recall:
--the gunwale cap where the cleats are currently located consists of fiberglass mat with encapsulated plywood to serve as a backing material.
--the gunwale cap is screwed down to the gunnel and/or L brackets are used.

The classic Outrage 18 noats that have cleats mounted to the topside have backing material in that location. I don't know if that backing material is present in your hull. Without it, adding a cleat would not be recommended.

What is the reasoning for moving the existing cleats?
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Re: Wood Location Diagram and Cleat Location

Postby Willie B » Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:41 pm

Hi there. Just to enquire about my previous thread. I have been trying to trace what Outrage I have. I was informed by the people on here that my boat was not a Outrage 22. However I noticed a Outrage 22 in Italy today. I checked the serial number at the boat was launched in 1992, one year before mine. Could it be that mine is a 22?

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Re: Wood Location Diagram and Cleat Location

Postby Phil T » Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:42 pm

The key items that make a boat a V-22 is the angle of the keel at the transom. It is a shallow or wide V.

See http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/V20Outrage/images/transomEven640x330.jpg

In a V-22, The bow steps are added on and have storage area.

See http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/V20Outrage/images/OutrageV20Foredeck768x570.jpg

In a Outrage 22 the keel V is steeper and the bow steps are part of the mould and do not have storage areas.

Your photos show the hull to be an Outrage 22 hull. It may not have all the features of the standard Outrage 22. Also note, international sales had different options/engines that were dealer and country specific.

Boston Whaler's Commercial Products Division(CPD) sold recreational hulls with modifications as a commercial model. Once the recreation version ceased production, the mold was transferred to CPD who continued to produce and sell the commercial model for many more years.

It is possible your boat is a Guardian 22.

I would leave the cleats as they are.
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Re: Wood Location Diagram and Cleat Location

Postby Willie B » Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:27 am

The hull at the back is a deep V. The bow section has moulded sections instead of lockers. Also the boat had all the seats taken out behind the console seat. I have left the cleats as they are.

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Re: Wood Location Diagram and Cleat Location

Postby jimh » Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:52 pm

Since you can SEE your own boat and you can see the OUTRAGE V-20 boat images in the REFERENCE section article I wrote and gave you a hyperlink, it should be easy for you to deduce if the boat you have is a V-20 or an OUTRAGE 22. Also, you can measure the length of the hull of your boat, and this dimension will give clear evidence about the model.

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Re: Outrage 22 Wood Location Diagram and Cleat Location

Postby jimh » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:07 am

The more recently posted images show that lockers in the bow appear to be molded into the hull. That disqualifies the V-20 as a possible model for this hull. Most OUTRAGE 22 hulls had a narrow sink-type splashwell. Only OUTRAGE 22 boats molded after c.1990 have the full width engine splashwell. In one of the images above the engine splashwell seems to be somewhat different, not quite like either OUTRAGE 22 splashwells. The rectangular deck opening plates in the aft cockpit are not typical of an OUTRAGE 22. The large metal deck plate hatch forward of the center console is typical of a GUARDIAN 22. Phil's deduction that the boat may have been ordered as a GUARDIAN 22 or some variant from the Boston Whaler Commercial and Government Products division is likely correct.

It should be a simple matter to find the hull identification number (HIN) and see the manufacturer identity code (MIC). If the MIC is WCG this will identify the boat as a commercial hull. For help with interpretation of the HIN see the lengthy and detailed explanation of the HIN in the FAQ.

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Re: Identify 21 or 22-foot Hull Model; Change Location of Cleats

Postby jimh » Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:17 am

There are many images of a Boston Whaler Commercial and Government Products GUARDIAN 22 boat shown in CETACEA. See CETACEA pages 10 and 12. See

http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage10.html

and

http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage12.html

The engine splashwell configuration for a GUARDIAN 22 is seen here:

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and here:

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Due to the similarity of the engine splashwell in the boat under discussion and the GUARDIAN 22 boat shown in the CETACEA pages, I am now quite sure the boat under discussion is a GUARDIAN 22 or some similar variant ordered from Boston Whaler Commercial and Government Products, and not an OUTRAGE 22, an OUTRAGE 21, or an OUTRAGE V-20 as mentioned in earlier speculation in this discussion.