2008 Montauk 190 Power Rating, Replacement Parts

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2008 Montauk 190 Power Rating, Replacement Parts

Postby Pointow » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:00 am

Hello. I am a frequent reader but a first time poster on the new forum. I had posted before on the old one.

I own a 2008 190 Montauk with about 500 hours. It has been a super boat. I would highly recommend it.

I have a few questions that hopefully some users may have some thoughts:

I am considering a re-power and looking at 150-HP engines, but the Coast Guard capacity plate [limits to] only a 135-HP. I know that now you can include a 150-HP on 190 Montauk, but can a 150-HP be installed on this older Montauk hull even though the plate says otherwise?

The few estimates that I have considered are reluctant to make this upgrade given the discrepancy.


Also, I am also in need of a few parts:

—the steel console frame needs to be replaced. Who would sell that?

—in relation to that, I also need the little bracket that hooks to the bimini. Any suggestions on that one?


—the boat cushions are beat and I would like to replace or redo them. Is it best to replace?

Or to redo them?

Any suggestions on where to buy new from?

Thank you for any suggestions.

Pointow

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Re: A Few 2008 Montauk 190 Questions

Postby Jefecinco » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:39 am

I would not hesitate to repower with a 150HP engine since the same model is now sold with that engine. However, if you now have a 135 HP Verado you will not have any remarkable improvement in performance with a 150 HP engine. If you have a 115 HP or smaller engine you will notice an appreciable improvement.

An interesting fact about the 135 Verado is that it can be tuned to produce over 200-HP by a professional ECU reflash. Simon Motorsports is a vendor who can reflash a Verado ECU and return it. Lessor HP levels can be done, too. If we keep our 190 Montauk with a 135 HP Verado we will certainly have the ECU reflashed. The work is not inexpensive but on a cost-to/HP basis it's a bargain. A little extra HP when a waterspout is coming your way can be a very good thing.
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Re: 2008 Montauk 190 Power Rating, Replacement Parts

Postby jimh » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:31 am

I believe that legally the capacity plate rating on your boat still applies to your boat, despite the reality that the rating was increased on that model when sold later. Because the boat is less than 20-feet in length, the capacity plate in mandatory. You can exceed the horsepower on the capacity plate, but there are considerations to be understood. This topic is a frequently asked question, so see the advice in the FAQ answer:

http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/FAQ/#Q6

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Re: 2008 Montauk 190 Power Rating, Replacement Parts

Postby jimh » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:32 am

For advice on replacement upholstery see the answer in the recommended vendors article:

http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/OEM.html

ADDENDUM: some upholstered cushions made of vinyl supplied with some Boston Whaler recent model boats were being replaced under warranty if they developed a pinkish mold problem. Check with Boston Whaler customer service to see if they can provide any advice about this. For your boat, the cushions are now ten years old, so even if there were an extended warranty, you are probably long past the expiration of it.

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Re: 2008 Montauk 190 Power Rating, Replacement Parts

Postby jimh » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:38 am

Any sort of bent stainless steel tubular railing on a 190 Montauk is extremely likely to have been custom made for Boston Whaler by a supplier or to have been made in house by Boston Whaler. The only source for a replacement would be from Boston Whaler through a dealer.

There are many artisans with skill in bending tubular stainless steel for boats, and you might find a local craftsman that could make something for you.

If there are weldments in the railing, the fabricator will have to be particularly skilled in that art to achieve factory-quality work.

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Re: 2008 Montauk 190 Power Rating, Replacement Parts

Postby Masbama » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:39 pm

I remember looking at a 2008 190 Montauk that had a 115 on it. [That owner] originally thought of re-powering and contacted Boston Whaler. who then provided an updated capacity plate with a 150-HP rating--saw it myself.

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Re: 2008 Montauk 190 Power Rating, Replacement Parts

Postby jimh » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:17 pm

If Masbama's anecdotal account is accurate, I suggest the OP try contacting Boston Whaler and see if they will provide the necessary updated USCG Capacity Plate that specifies 150-HP as the maximum power.

The OP should please report the outcome of his inquiry and if he receives a new capacity plate to verify this solution.

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Re: 2008 Montauk 190 Power Rating, Replacement Parts

Postby Phil T » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:36 am

In my opinion, unless you are having SERIOUS mechanical problems with your motor, it does not make practical sense to spend $12-14,000 in order to gain +/- 5 mph at WOT. A well maintained engine will last several thousand hours.

If you elect to repower, there are some dealers/shops that will not install an engine that exceeds the capacity plate. There are, however, some that will. You need to call around. Just a little more work. There are at least a dozen owners who have repowered and exceeded the capacity plate. some by a little, some by alot. You are not the first.

As for insurance, there are several companies that will insure a boat with an engine that exceeds the capacity plate for not much more. Additional calls will find them.

Given that the Montauk 170 cushions only recently changed with the 2018 model, you should be able to obtain replacements through a whaler dealer.

While any Whaler dealer parts department can supply the parts you need. If unresponsive, give Sue Lodel, Parts Manager, Beacon/Twin Cities Marine a call. She's aces.

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Re: 2008 Montauk 190 Power Rating, Replacement Parts

Postby Whalerdog » Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:16 am

Geico said they don't care if I put a 150 on my 2007 19' Montauk. I would get new railing from Boston Whaler. Cushions also from Boston Whaler if the price is acceptable vs. local. Bimini bracket Boston Whaler but they are available on eBay it is standard hardware used by others.

What motor is on the boat now 115 or 135?

What exactly is wrong with the cushions now? Is it wear or mold?

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Re: 2008 Montauk 190 Power Rating, Replacement Parts

Postby Pointow » Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:40 am

Hello All. Sincere thanks to all of you that have responded. This information is super helpful. Once again, this community has been a super resource.

I did end up contacting Whaler Customer Service this week, pertaining specifically to the re-power of my current 135-HP engine. They wrote back that “Boston Whaler cannot recommend exceeding the maximum hp rating that was assigned and registered with this boat,” and “while Boston Whaler can raise/register the maximum hp rating on future models, we cannot change a rating on previous models.” That sounds like they would not recommend violating the Coast Guard Plate. Thus, now I am back to considering a 135. I do wonder why Boston Whaler will not stand behind the 150 since I was under the impression that the 2008 hull was the same hull as those sold after 2010 when the rating was changed.

In terms for the re-power consideration, I do wonder what the threshold is for others when it comes to potentially doing this. I am not looking forward to the expense and would love to remain with my original engine. I am considering a re-power due to the large costs, the downtime, and [here an acronym was used which was later explained to have been intended to mean the plural form of "dead on water"] I have incurred due to the very non-routine and in my mind somewhat serious mechanical [problems] over the last three seasons. This is all on a well-maintained and loved outboard that has been cared for and not abused (at least for the last seven years since I have owned the boat). Would love to hear others line for considering this option.

Thanks,

Pointow

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Re: 2008 Montauk 190 Power Rating, Replacement Parts

Postby Pointow » Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:45 am

Hello again. Pertaining to the cushions: they are simply worn out. I do not see any pink mold. I am considering a local re-upholster of a few of them at the moment. Thanks--Pointow

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Re: 2008 Montauk 190 Power Rating, Replacement Parts

Postby jimh » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:52 am

Pointow wrote:...I did end up contacting Whaler Customer Service this week...They wrote back that “Boston Whaler cannot recommend exceeding the maximum [horsepower] rating that was assigned and registered with this boat,” and “while Boston Whaler can raise/register the maximum [horsepower] rating on future models, we cannot change a rating on previous models.”


That is exactly the response I anticipated would be given by Boston Whaler. They don't send out capacity plates to retroactively alter the specifications of a boat they previously made with different specifications. I suspect that the reason for that is concern with liability and other legal problems. Since the capacity plate on a boat under 20-feet is a federal regulation, they wisely don't mess around with them.

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Re: 2008 Montauk 190 Power Rating, Replacement Parts

Postby jimh » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:55 am

Pointow wrote:...[re] the re-power of my current 135-HP engine...I am considering a re-power due to the large costs, the downtime, and DOW’s I have incurred due to the very non-routine and in my mind somewhat serious mechanical [problems] over the last three seasons.


What does "DOW's" mean?

Exactly what 135-HP engine is on the boat now? is it a VERADO FOURSTROKE?

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Re: 2008 Montauk 190 Power Rating, Replacement Parts

Postby Phil T » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:20 am

The 2008 Montauk 190 standard engine offering was the Mercury 115 EXLPT FourStroke L4NL. The option that year was the newly introduce Mercury 135XL Verado 4 cylinder motor.

cf: Boston Whaler Resources website
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Re: 2008 Montauk 190 Power Rating, Replacement Parts

Postby Jefecinco » Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:29 am

It's surprising you have had problems with your 135 HP Verado engine given the engine reputation for reliability. It is important to have work on Verados done by Mercury Certified technicians. A Mercury certified shop is not a good substitute.

Most problems with the 135 HP Verado have to do with the fuel float problem and various electrical problems associated with poor battery performance and or high resistance connections in the engines electrical/electronic systems.

Your engine should have many, many more hours of useful life remaining. Before going to the expense of repowering I would seek out a shop and technician who can sort out the engine. If you can't find a certified technician seek help from Mercury.

My 135 HP Verado has fewer hours than yours but it has been flawless. Even for simple oil changes and inspections the engine has only been serviced by certified technicians. I have never used ethanol fuel in the engine though I'm told the engines are unaffected by ethanol gasoline.
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Re: 2008 Montauk 190 Power Rating, Replacement Parts

Postby Masbama » Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:51 pm

I may have saved the e mail response from Boston Whaler regarding the capacity plate. I’ll see if I can find it.

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Re: 2008 Montauk 190 Power Rating, Replacement Parts

Postby jimh » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:45 pm

If the engine under discussion here--the one that has a lot of "DOW's"--whatever that turns out to mean--is a Mercury FOURSTROKE VERADO 135-HP, I am also going to be surprised to hear about many problems incurred in operating it. The 135-HP version is the lowest-rated-power version of that four-cylinder engine; it is also sold with a 200-HP rating. I would expect the 135-HP version to be a fairly tame version and to be relatively loafing along when making 135-HP.

The FOURSTROKE VERADO engines have had a history of being VERY particular about the attached battery, and Mercury has very specific requirements for the battery, including that it must be a starved-electrolyte absorbed glass mat construction (AGM) battery with a specific Ampere-hour and cranking Ampere rating.

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Re: 2008 Montauk 190 Power Rating, Replacement Parts

Postby Masbama » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:57 pm

Here [are quotes from emails between an unidentified owner of a 190 MONTAUK and someone at Boston Whaler]. Leaving names out

Thanks for replying so quickly.
Just to be sure; that if I buy a 190 Montauk from any year before 2010 and it needs a re-power higher than what was originally listed I can request a new capacity plate that reflects higher horsepower? (150hp)?


Hello Mr. XXXXX,
Where the 190 Montauk has not changed through the years, you can have the 150 hp max. capacity plate placed on your boat through an authorized Boston Whaler dealership. This part must be placed on the boat by the dealership as our records will have to be updated to state that the capacity plate was changed. You must be the registered owner under the Boston Whaler warranty.

XXXX XXXXXXX

Boston Whaler, Inc.


This was in 2016 so maybe the policy has changed.

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Re: 2008 Montauk 190 Power Rating, Replacement Parts

Postby Pointow » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:08 am

Hello,

Yes, my outboard is the 135 Verado. I appreciate the positive feedback on this model. It has been great for many years, but as described above, my more recent experience has left me with wandering eyes. I likely now will reconsider my plans based on comments here and give it at least one more season, and more if there is an improvement.

That is interesting to see the other communication from BW. Thank you for providing that. I plan on sitting tight for now based on the recent advice here so it is somewhat moot. However, if I went for a repower down the road, I think I would be cautious and stick with the 135. My current 135 has been more than effective in terms of power. I have never once felt that it feels underpowered, but still wanted to consider the 150 as an option.

On another note, I did contact Beacon Marine. They were super helpful. Already planning to order some parts from them. Thanks for that suggestion.

DOW = Dead On Water.

Thanks,

Pointow

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Re: 2008 Montauk 190 Power Rating, Replacement Parts

Postby jimh » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:50 am

Pointow wrote:DOW = Dead On Water.


I tried using ACRONYM FINDER to see what possible answers it could provide to the acronym DOW. See

https://www.acronymfinder.com/DOW.html

While acronym finder offered 27 possible meanings for the acronym DOW, none of them made any sense in the context of your comment, and, of course, none of the suggested meanings were "DEAD ON WATER." On that basis I think you must be the only person who thinks that DOW is a commonly used acronym for DEAD ON WATER. I suggest you don't use DOW as an acronym to mean DEAD ON WATER because it is very likely no one will understand what you mean.

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Re: 2008 Montauk 190 Power Rating, Replacement Parts

Postby jimh » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:56 am

Re MASABA's email quote from Boston Whaler regarding obtaining a capacity plate with a higher horsepower rating:

--I notice that Boston Whaler mentions a qualifier: "Where the 190 Montauk has not changed through the years..." Perhaps there were some changes that occurred in the construction of the hull that occurred prior to the rating being increased, and this limits the number of old hulls that qualify; and,

--I notice that Boston Whaler requires an authorized dealer to change the capacity plate; they aren't just mailing them out to customers.

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Re: 2008 Montauk 190 Power Rating, Replacement Parts

Postby Jefecinco » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:34 am

Pointow,

I believe you'll find the 135 HP Verado is no longer manufactured. It was replaced in the line by the 150 HP Verado. Future long term production of Verados is uncertain. Mercury's newish four stroke offerings beginning with the 150 HP engine will probably replace the Verado line. Exceptions may be the 300 and 350 HP Verados.
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