2007 Outrage 210 Re-power

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2007 Outrage 210 Re-power

Postby Stevehfov » Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:20 pm

Hi Whaler owners. i plan to repower my 2007 Outrage 210.

Have others re-powered a 210 OUTRAGE with new four-stroke-power-cycle outboard engine technology?

If, so what performance was obtained on the 210 OUTRAGE?.

Currently [the 210 OUTRAGE has] a 2007 Mercury OptiMax 225. Maximum engine weight for this model and year is 700-lbs. Hull weight is 2,700-lbs, and the maximum power rating is 225-HP.

I make long trips offshore and live in Southern California.I'm looking at greater [fuel] economy, no more Optimax oil, and better reliability of a new engine. I have owned Suzuki engines on a previous 1981 Montauk with great success, and made many offshore trips with never having to be towed since 1998. The Suzuki engine price is less than a Yamaha engine.

I am considering the new Suzuki 200-HP in-line four. This engine has decent performance, with a bit more torque than the Yamaha F200 in-line four. But I'm concerned [the 210 OUTRAGE] may be under-powered when the boat is fully loaded. I see that Grady-White and others are using these new 200-HP in line four-cylinder outboards on their new models of similar hull weights, perhaps as a way to save the customer some money when purchasing a new boat.

Another option is the Suzuki DF225 V6, which weighs 606-lbs, has more torque, and won't have to work as hard under a heavier load and in rough seas.

Real world feedback would be appreciated, as I want to make a well informed decision.

Thank you in advance for any insights and feedback.

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Re:2007 Outrage 210 Re-power

Postby Phil T » Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:38 pm

I would also consider E-TEC 200 or 225. Both are V6 engines, with the great torque of direct fuel injection, and the engine weights are very good at under 559 lbs.

https://www.evinrude.com/en-US/e-tec-g2.html#

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Re: 2007 Outrage 210 Re-power

Postby Acassidy » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:41 pm

All things being equal, more displacement equals more torque--interesting that outboard manufactures don't give torque data.

Mercury 225 Optimax displacement 186 cubic inches (your motor)

Suzuki 200 is displacement 175 cubic inches
Suziki 225 displacement is 220 cubic inches
Evinrude 200 displace is 210 cubic inches
Evinrude 225 displacement is 210 cubic inches
Yamaha 200 displacement 170 cubic inches
Yamaha 225 displacement 256

If it where me I would go with the 225 Suzuki or either 200 or 225 Evinrude. Plus they are V6 not four-bangers. Yamaha 200 is a tuned up 150 and the Yamaha F225 is a tuned down 300. The Yamaha F225 is almost double the engine of the 200. Pretty weird if you ask me. Those Yamaha 200 engines make great twins though. Almost cannot be beat that for size and weight.
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Re: 2007 Outrage 210 Re-power

Postby jimh » Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:02 am

In the 12 years since 2007, much has happened with outboard engines. The Mercury OptiMax 225 was a powerful, large-displacement, V6 engine, with good fuel economy. I doubt you will be able to find much improvement in power, torque, or fuel economy with a new engine. You will be able to get a big improvement in noise, vibration, and harshness, and with smoother controls.

When re-powering a boat, if you change engine brands the associated rigging, controls, wire harnesses, instrumentation, alarms, and so on, will have to be entirely replaced. But I would not dwell on that in this particular case, because I am recommending that the re-power engine should have modern electrical remote controls. The old mechanical controls will have to go no matter what brand engine is chosen.

Also modern engines use digital communications for instrumentation, so I also expect that any old analogue gauges from the 2007 engine will be replaced, too. Again, this means there is likely to NOT be a savings by sticking to the same brand (Mercury) for the re-power.

If you really like the 210 OUTRAGE, I recommend you go all-in with a new engine. Get another 225-HP V6, not an in-line four-cylinder. Get electronic remote engine shift and throttle controls, and get NMEA-2000 instrumentation for the engine.

An Evinrude G2 225 with ICON II EST controls and an ICON 4.3-inch or 7-inch color touch screen engine instrumentation center would be a nice re-power. You'd have the amazing torque of a two-stroke-power-cycle direct-fuel-injection engine and the V6 big block--features you are accustomed to having now--and you will get great fuel economy, best possible exhaust gas emission ratings, superb remote controls, features like automatic engine trim, and a TEN YEAR WARRANTY--nothing like that available. Also no routine service for five years. Check out Evinrude E-TEC G2 as an option.

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Re: 2007 Outrage 210 Re-power

Postby Marko888 » Fri Apr 05, 2019 8:18 pm

I own a classic Outrage 22, powered by an Optimax 225. This 225 is a strong engine. While it is a bit noisy at idle, I find it to totally fine on cruise when wind noise becomes more significant than engine noise.

I went from 2-stroke to 4-stroke on my Outrage 18. I liked the quiet idle, and didn't miss having to add to an oil tank. BUT, I was annoyed by oil changes, so the oil thing is a bit of a wash.

One of the gurus in our community once told me he believed that 2-stroke outboards make power in a way that really suits this purpose. Meaning, max torque at lower rpm (compared to a 4-stroke) helps to push a boat up on to plane. Having done the switch from 2-stroke to 4-stroke on my previous boat, I have to agree. Horsepower enables speed, but acceleration comes from torque.

My 225 will eventually get replaced by another 2-stroke engine, likely the E-TEC.

The Suzuki 200hp inline 4 is a good engine, but would likely disappoint on your hull. This 200, as well as the Yamaha 200, have relatively small displacement for their horsepower, and lack torque when compared to a V6 outboard. Torque is what gets your boat on plane quickly. The Suzuki 200 would work on your boat, but compared to the Optimax 225 you have now, would be slow to plane and WOT speed potential would likely be reduced by several mph.

I would suggest staying with a V6 (2-stroke or 4-stroke) to retain similar to current performance. Choose a dealer first, engine brand second.
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Re: 2007 Outrage 210 Re-power

Postby biggiefl » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:12 am

Having spent many hours on Frank's 210 with a 225 four-stroke-power-cycle engine I think 225-HP is not enough hp. For California offshore boating however it is plenty as you don't need to go faster than mid-upper 40-MPH range. If you usually keep a light load and maintain a low cruise speed, the 200-HP would be fine, but the extra grand or two, the 225 might be worth it at resale.
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