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whalernut posted 03-30-2000 07:47 PM ET (US)
I am looking at a `77 Newport and am very baffled. The Newport is supposed to have a side console and the 2 bucket seats in front of the console, but the one I am looking at to purchase has a center console with grab rail, but no grab rail in front of the center console like I see on most Montauks, that little curved peice, also no Boston Whaler plate on the dash of the console like I see on others. Also the flip-flop seat looks like a Whaler flip-flop seat, but it doesn`t have rod holders in the backrest like on the Montauk. What gives on this Newport, my guess is this boat has been altered from it`s original design, if so I still may make a bid but for much less than the asking price. Is this a special model or tampered with? Please help! Jack. P.S. the seat back has a mahogany back rest with vynal pad inserts. This boat can be seen on Boat Trader online. Just punch up search then Boston Whaler Newport. It is for sale in Marblehead, OH. Any Whaler experts please hel-help-help!
david in boston posted 03-30-2000 10:01 PM ET (US)
I have a 75 whaler catalog that shows the newport with a large low side console and the curved grab rail between two bucket seats and a foot wide deck coaming that goes around the entire boat with a little plexiglass widshield on the bow under a short bow rail. The Katama model sounds more like you are talking about, with a low wide center console without the deck coaming on the sides. they both have the flip seat. Katama has no bow rail but has large side rails. newport has no side rails. the katama has a fabric windshield. hope this helps. I just bought a 72 whaler bass boat which was a real puzzle it has bow and stern casting platforms and pedestal seats on the bow and stern deck with a small cooler seat in back of a little center console. I didnt know what it was till someone on this forum clued me in. I am fixing it up now for striper fishing this summer. see the picture of it in the ceateacean section of this website. good luck David
david in boston posted 03-30-2000 10:04 PM ET (US)
another idea, get the hull # from the inside stern engine well or the transom and call boston whaler they will tell you what day/year the boat was made and to what dealer it was delivered and its original configuration. It worked for me. David
lhg posted 03-31-2000 12:11 AM ET (US)
Jack: I looked at the pictures, and the boat is definitely a Newport, including the reversible seat. But the original Newport side console and front seats have been replaced with a mid to late 70's vintage Outrage/Montauk console. The forward curved rail section is evidently missing. Also the cover is an aftermarket job, as the Mills people would never drill snaps into the side of the hull like that. In some respects, the boat is more functional with the Montauk console, since you can drive standing up, but I don't particularly like the look of the altered boat. I'd try to find a true Montauk instead. Those wide side gunnels on the Newport waste a lot of interior room if you're interested in fishing.
bigz posted 03-31-2000 08:08 AM ET (US)
Hi took a look see at the photos.
Well it is a Newport as Larry mentioned!
The Montauk console was optional to the side mounted std."console" and I might add a costly extra at that. There were also optional swivel "bass" type seats available and in fact one could have also ordered the Lee outrigger holder for this console another pricey option.
The 77/78 catalog does show a mooring cover that appears to have "snaps" spaced around the topsides of a 17 --- so it might be original or might not --- hard to tell unless you call Mills or Whaler.
Anyway good luck, it just might be a great boat depending on your needs.
Regards, Thomas
jimh posted 03-31-2000 12:43 PM ET (US)
Regarding the mooring cover and snaps:
Mills invented a "clamp" for their mooring cover so that it was retained without installing those button snaps.
Jamie Mills described them in the interview available on Whaler-Radio at:
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/radio/
lhg posted 03-31-2000 01:27 PM ET (US)
I have a Mills Mooring Cover on my Outrage 25, and it uses no snaps at all. Instead it is secured to the boat by a series of little hook fittings, screwed upside down into the underside of the overhanging gunwale. They are hardly noticeable and are made by Wilcox Crittenden, costing about $2 apiece! Short lengths of bungee cord in the cover then tuck under these fittings to secure the cover the entire length of the boat. Mills uses this same fitting to secure the back half of the Outrage forward shelters over the raised edge of the inner gunnels in the bow.
whalernut posted 03-31-2000 06:43 PM ET (US)
Thank you all for helping me for awnsering my questions about the `77 Newport. I am happy to know the center console was a Whaler option and not a fake. 2 questions-I am going to make a bid but first question, they are asking $5795 or best offer, what do you all think is a fair bid, if let`s say the boat is in average condition and freshwater used only? 2nd is that Evenrude 55h.p. engine on it enough to fish and ski or should I invest in a 70-90h.p. engine? P.S As you can tell by my interests I have `58-`89 Whalers, this is because I am appaled at the quality since reebok and brunswick(excuse me while I collect myself) bought them and moved Whaler to Florida-it`s even hard for me to talk about. O.K. I took a test ride on a `99 Montauk and was horrified at the fit and finish and over all quality compared to the Rockland,Mass. Whalers `58-`89. Please reply! Thank you-JACK. whalernut.
Clark Roberts posted 03-31-2000 06:56 PM ET (US)
Jack, the liability is in the engine! Evinrude, if my memory serves me correctly, made two 55hp models .. one was the first looper back in 58 and was a 3 cyl. the other was a big bore two cyl similar to the current 2cyl 40-50 OMC two stroke... either will be an ancient engine by todays standards and even if low hours is not worth much... you need a current, 70hp min (even though 50hp does a nice job) with trim and tilt and stainless prop, that is, if you are to really get the benefits of that excellent hull! I would figure that the hull,with trailer, value could be around $4K and the engine about 0 to 500 bucks... you asked for opinions and that's my story and I'm sticking to it! Happy Whalin'... Clark
whalernut posted 04-04-2000 10:40 PM ET (US)
Hey guys, I wrote to Boston Whaler about the `77 Newport that I hopefully am buying on friday. They said it is a Newport and was sold in Toledo, Ohio not to far from where it is being sold right now. About that center console configuration, Whaler said it was not an option and had to be added later by the owner, they said that boat was shipped with the side console. I love the configuration with the center console and the low bow rail, but does it bring the value down now that the boat is not of original design. As Clark said the hull is worth about $4000 in average condition and the 55h.p. Evinrude about $0-$500. What do you all think. I still do not think that center console is a Whaler console since it does not have the fire extinguisher hole holder in the side of it and also no curved railing in front of the center console. Also the back pad on the front of the console is rectangular, and the Montauk console has split 2 pads with rod holders, also the gauges are bordered buy teak and if I am correct the Montauk gauges were outlined in black plastic. Would you guys please look again on Boat Trader online and give me another opinion on that center console on this Newport. The boat is for sale in Marblehead,Ohio on the Trader. Also a new value assesment. Let`s say it is in average condition. Thanks again-JACK.
Zack posted 04-05-2000 11:06 AM ET (US)
For what its worth, I purchased a 1976 Newport(average condition), with trailer, no motor last July for $2500. It had the side console. The boat was in Texas. Hope this helps. Zack
Al Phillips posted 04-05-2000 11:37 AM ET (US)
Jack, in regards to your question concerning minimum horsepower: You said that you will be using the boat to fish and ski. How much skiing will you be doing? Will you be pulling adults on a slalom ski, or just kids on wake boards?
I use my Montauk mostly for water skiing and equipped it with a 100 hp Merc. This provides plenty of power for all my skiing needs except barefooting. When the dealer gave me a demo ride the boat was equipped with a 90 hp motor. The 90 would have been fine to pull kids out of the water or even adults on two skis. However, to pull an adult slalom skier its power would have been marginal.
I sure that price is an important consideration (it was with me), and outboard motors are expensive. You can probably get by with a 70 for fishing, but when you ski don't plan on anything more ambitious than pulling kids on two skis or wakeboards.
Al
whalernut posted 04-09-2000 10:30 PM ET (US)
I did not buy the Newport because it was very rough. It is amazing what pictures on the net and a little broker talk(clean,well kept, nice boat, etc.) will do to get you to see the boat, oh well looking at a `87 Supersport now and truly in average to above average condition. Price is a little high but am trying my best! Let you all know. Thank you-JACK.
triblet posted 04-10-2000 12:46 AM ET (US)
I have a 1998 Montauk with a 90HP Evenrude.
It pulls an adult on a single just fine.
The best part is the look on the Ski
Nautique when this stand-up center console
with VHF whip goes by with a good skier on.
The skiers say they like it because there
very little wake.
Chuck Tribolet
triblet@garlic.com

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Author	Topic: `77 Boston Whaler Newport Question
whalernut	posted 03-30-2000 07:47 PM ET (US) I am looking at a `77 Newport and am very baffled. The Newport is supposed to have a side console and the 2 bucket seats in front of the console, but the one I am looking at to purchase has a center console with grab rail, but no grab rail in front of the center console like I see on most Montauks, that little curved peice, also no Boston Whaler plate on the dash of the console like I see on others. Also the flip-flop seat looks like a Whaler flip-flop seat, but it doesn`t have rod holders in the backrest like on the Montauk. What gives on this Newport, my guess is this boat has been altered from it`s original design, if so I still may make a bid but for much less than the asking price. Is this a special model or tampered with? Please help! Jack. P.S. the seat back has a mahogany back rest with vynal pad inserts. This boat can be seen on Boat Trader online. Just punch up search then Boston Whaler Newport. It is for sale in Marblehead, OH. Any Whaler experts please hel-help-help!
david in boston	posted 03-30-2000 10:01 PM ET (US) I have a 75 whaler catalog that shows the newport with a large low side console and the curved grab rail between two bucket seats and a foot wide deck coaming that goes around the entire boat with a little plexiglass widshield on the bow under a short bow rail. The Katama model sounds more like you are talking about, with a low wide center console without the deck coaming on the sides. they both have the flip seat. Katama has no bow rail but has large side rails. newport has no side rails. the katama has a fabric windshield. hope this helps. I just bought a 72 whaler bass boat which was a real puzzle it has bow and stern casting platforms and pedestal seats on the bow and stern deck with a small cooler seat in back of a little center console. I didnt know what it was till someone on this forum clued me in. I am fixing it up now for striper fishing this summer. see the picture of it in the ceateacean section of this website. good luck David
david in boston	posted 03-30-2000 10:04 PM ET (US) another idea, get the hull # from the inside stern engine well or the transom and call boston whaler they will tell you what day/year the boat was made and to what dealer it was delivered and its original configuration. It worked for me. David
lhg	posted 03-31-2000 12:11 AM ET (US) Jack: I looked at the pictures, and the boat is definitely a Newport, including the reversible seat. But the original Newport side console and front seats have been replaced with a mid to late 70's vintage Outrage/Montauk console. The forward curved rail section is evidently missing. Also the cover is an aftermarket job, as the Mills people would never drill snaps into the side of the hull like that. In some respects, the boat is more functional with the Montauk console, since you can drive standing up, but I don't particularly like the look of the altered boat. I'd try to find a true Montauk instead. Those wide side gunnels on the Newport waste a lot of interior room if you're interested in fishing.
bigz	posted 03-31-2000 08:08 AM ET (US) Hi took a look see at the photos. Well it is a Newport as Larry mentioned! The Montauk console was optional to the side mounted std."console" and I might add a costly extra at that. There were also optional swivel "bass" type seats available and in fact one could have also ordered the Lee outrigger holder for this console another pricey option. The 77/78 catalog does show a mooring cover that appears to have "snaps" spaced around the topsides of a 17 --- so it might be original or might not --- hard to tell unless you call Mills or Whaler. Anyway good luck, it just might be a great boat depending on your needs. Regards, Thomas
jimh	posted 03-31-2000 12:43 PM ET (US) Regarding the mooring cover and snaps: Mills invented a "clamp" for their mooring cover so that it was retained without installing those button snaps. Jamie Mills described them in the interview available on Whaler-Radio at: http://continuouswave.com/whaler/radio/
lhg	posted 03-31-2000 01:27 PM ET (US) I have a Mills Mooring Cover on my Outrage 25, and it uses no snaps at all. Instead it is secured to the boat by a series of little hook fittings, screwed upside down into the underside of the overhanging gunwale. They are hardly noticeable and are made by Wilcox Crittenden, costing about $2 apiece! Short lengths of bungee cord in the cover then tuck under these fittings to secure the cover the entire length of the boat. Mills uses this same fitting to secure the back half of the Outrage forward shelters over the raised edge of the inner gunnels in the bow.
whalernut	posted 03-31-2000 06:43 PM ET (US) Thank you all for helping me for awnsering my questions about the `77 Newport. I am happy to know the center console was a Whaler option and not a fake. 2 questions-I am going to make a bid but first question, they are asking $5795 or best offer, what do you all think is a fair bid, if let`s say the boat is in average condition and freshwater used only? 2nd is that Evenrude 55h.p. engine on it enough to fish and ski or should I invest in a 70-90h.p. engine? P.S As you can tell by my interests I have `58-`89 Whalers, this is because I am appaled at the quality since reebok and brunswick(excuse me while I collect myself) bought them and moved Whaler to Florida-it`s even hard for me to talk about. O.K. I took a test ride on a `99 Montauk and was horrified at the fit and finish and over all quality compared to the Rockland,Mass. Whalers `58-`89. Please reply! Thank you-JACK. whalernut.
Clark Roberts	posted 03-31-2000 06:56 PM ET (US) Jack, the liability is in the engine! Evinrude, if my memory serves me correctly, made two 55hp models .. one was the first looper back in 58 and was a 3 cyl. the other was a big bore two cyl similar to the current 2cyl 40-50 OMC two stroke... either will be an ancient engine by todays standards and even if low hours is not worth much... you need a current, 70hp min (even though 50hp does a nice job) with trim and tilt and stainless prop, that is, if you are to really get the benefits of that excellent hull! I would figure that the hull,with trailer, value could be around $4K and the engine about 0 to 500 bucks... you asked for opinions and that's my story and I'm sticking to it! Happy Whalin'... Clark
whalernut	posted 04-04-2000 10:40 PM ET (US) Hey guys, I wrote to Boston Whaler about the `77 Newport that I hopefully am buying on friday. They said it is a Newport and was sold in Toledo, Ohio not to far from where it is being sold right now. About that center console configuration, Whaler said it was not an option and had to be added later by the owner, they said that boat was shipped with the side console. I love the configuration with the center console and the low bow rail, but does it bring the value down now that the boat is not of original design. As Clark said the hull is worth about $4000 in average condition and the 55h.p. Evinrude about $0-$500. What do you all think. I still do not think that center console is a Whaler console since it does not have the fire extinguisher hole holder in the side of it and also no curved railing in front of the center console. Also the back pad on the front of the console is rectangular, and the Montauk console has split 2 pads with rod holders, also the gauges are bordered buy teak and if I am correct the Montauk gauges were outlined in black plastic. Would you guys please look again on Boat Trader online and give me another opinion on that center console on this Newport. The boat is for sale in Marblehead,Ohio on the Trader. Also a new value assesment. Let`s say it is in average condition. Thanks again-JACK.
Zack	posted 04-05-2000 11:06 AM ET (US) For what its worth, I purchased a 1976 Newport(average condition), with trailer, no motor last July for $2500. It had the side console. The boat was in Texas. Hope this helps. Zack
Al Phillips	posted 04-05-2000 11:37 AM ET (US) Jack, in regards to your question concerning minimum horsepower: You said that you will be using the boat to fish and ski. How much skiing will you be doing? Will you be pulling adults on a slalom ski, or just kids on wake boards? I use my Montauk mostly for water skiing and equipped it with a 100 hp Merc. This provides plenty of power for all my skiing needs except barefooting. When the dealer gave me a demo ride the boat was equipped with a 90 hp motor. The 90 would have been fine to pull kids out of the water or even adults on two skis. However, to pull an adult slalom skier its power would have been marginal. I sure that price is an important consideration (it was with me), and outboard motors are expensive. You can probably get by with a 70 for fishing, but when you ski don't plan on anything more ambitious than pulling kids on two skis or wakeboards. Al
whalernut	posted 04-09-2000 10:30 PM ET (US) I did not buy the Newport because it was very rough. It is amazing what pictures on the net and a little broker talk(clean,well kept, nice boat, etc.) will do to get you to see the boat, oh well looking at a `87 Supersport now and truly in average to above average condition. Price is a little high but am trying my best! Let you all know. Thank you-JACK.
triblet	posted 04-10-2000 12:46 AM ET (US) I have a 1998 Montauk with a 90HP Evenrude. It pulls an adult on a single just fine. The best part is the look on the Ski Nautique when this stand-up center console with VHF whip goes by with a good skier on. The skiers say they like it because there very little wake. Chuck Tribolet triblet@garlic.com