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Whalerfan posted 06-21-2000 01:11 PM ET (US)
Need to decide between 17 and 18 ft whaler.
Long time whaler owner. Sold a 1970 21 ft last year. Looking at either 17 classic our 18 outrage pre 1990. Need to figure out towing dynamics. Does anyone know what a 1989 Outrage wieghs With out motor or tailer?
lhg posted 06-21-2000 02:14 PM ET (US)
From 1983 to 1991, it's last year in original form, Boston Whaler has always listed the weight as 1250lb. The 1992-1995 model was listed at 1900lb, and the current 2000 model is shown as 2500lb.
Whalerfan posted 06-21-2000 02:28 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the prompt response!!
tbyrne posted 06-21-2000 02:51 PM ET (US)
Don't forget to calculate the weight of fuel, battery, and gear. I had a 1982 18 Outrage which was harder to tow than I expected, until I added it all up the total came to 2,850 lbs.!
Boat 1,250
Motor 400
Fuel 450
Gear 100
Battery 50
Trailer 600 !
However, if you plan to run in rougher waters, the 18 Outrage is far better riding than the Montauk due to its deeper V-hull and added weight. I loved mine, but it was too much to trailer 75 miles round trip every weekend with a four-cylinder vehicle.
Whalerfan posted 06-21-2000 09:43 PM ET (US)
I have a suburban I can use, but will my v6 Nissan Quest handle an outrage. How hard/easy is it to retrieve the outrage?
Peter posted 06-22-2000 08:27 AM ET (US)
Its very easy to launch and retrieve provided you have the right trailer set up. Your Quest should be able to handle the load, although you will feel it. I towed my 18 with a Nissan Pathfinder short distances, less than 20 miles, with little problem. But I noticed it, and wouldn't want to tow it long distances. Pathfinder was rated to tow 3500. Now I tow it with a Ford Explorer V8 rated to tow 6500. Much easier. The Explorer's suspension is set up better for towing than the Pathfinder's. The Surburban should be even better for towing with its longer wheel base. Tbyrne's response is right on the money.
Whalerfan posted 06-22-2000 09:45 AM ET (US)
What can you tell me about the "right trailer
setup? Roller keel with bunks? power winch?
Brakes?
jimh posted 06-22-2000 10:00 AM ET (US)
Have you read the article about trailers in the REFERENCE section of the website?
See http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/
I am working with Larry Goltz to add more information about brakes and hitches to that section. He just sent me some excellent photographs of his rebuilt trailer. Larry has 80,000 miles of trailering on his Outrage 25, so I consider him pretty well versed on the subject!
Whalerfan posted 06-22-2000 10:48 AM ET (US)
I did read the article which is where I got the Bunk/roller combination thought. I was wondering if there was anything else that could help in the launching retrieving process.
lhg posted 06-22-2000 02:37 PM ET (US)
Also hunt around on the Forum threads, as there are some fairly long ones with pro's and con's on the subject. One thing is becoming increasingly clear is that the keel roller trailers are getting hard to find. Dealers just don't want to search around to find, or bother with the keel roller style of trailer. They all have relationships with a particular brand, and most of those brands don't even make the keel roller models any more. They cost more than the simpler all bunk trailers, particularly if you're using the Stoltz poly rollers. But you get what you pay for in protection for your hull and ease of launching/retreiving.
triblet posted 06-22-2000 03:11 PM ET (US)
Later Pathfinder automatics were rated
at 5000 pounds towing capacity. The
sticks (even the current one with the
big bad four cam motor) are only rated
at 3500 -- probably a transmission life
thing.
My practice is to not make a habit out
of towing much over half the capacity
of the vehicle. I'm towing a Montauk (total
rig weight a little over 2000 pounds) with
a manual transmission Pathfinder (3500
pound cap.). That's fine, but I wouldn't
want to tackle big mountains or a bigger
boat on a regular basis with it.
I once towed my late wife's 1968 Firebird
on a monster rental trailer with my first
Pathfinder (also 3500 pound cap.). I figure
the rig weight (no motor in the FireChicken
at the time) was right at 3500 pounds.
It worked, but just, and it was all flat
country, and only about 20 miles.
Chuck Tribolet
triblet@garlic.com

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Author	Topic: 18ft 1989 outrage .. Anyone know the wieght?
Whalerfan	posted 06-21-2000 01:11 PM ET (US) Need to decide between 17 and 18 ft whaler. Long time whaler owner. Sold a 1970 21 ft last year. Looking at either 17 classic our 18 outrage pre 1990. Need to figure out towing dynamics. Does anyone know what a 1989 Outrage wieghs With out motor or tailer?
lhg	posted 06-21-2000 02:14 PM ET (US) From 1983 to 1991, it's last year in original form, Boston Whaler has always listed the weight as 1250lb. The 1992-1995 model was listed at 1900lb, and the current 2000 model is shown as 2500lb.
Whalerfan	posted 06-21-2000 02:28 PM ET (US) Thanks for the prompt response!!
tbyrne	posted 06-21-2000 02:51 PM ET (US) Don't forget to calculate the weight of fuel, battery, and gear. I had a 1982 18 Outrage which was harder to tow than I expected, until I added it all up the total came to 2,850 lbs.! Boat 1,250 Motor 400 Fuel 450 Gear 100 Battery 50 Trailer 600 ! However, if you plan to run in rougher waters, the 18 Outrage is far better riding than the Montauk due to its deeper V-hull and added weight. I loved mine, but it was too much to trailer 75 miles round trip every weekend with a four-cylinder vehicle.
Whalerfan	posted 06-21-2000 09:43 PM ET (US) I have a suburban I can use, but will my v6 Nissan Quest handle an outrage. How hard/easy is it to retrieve the outrage?
Peter	posted 06-22-2000 08:27 AM ET (US) Its very easy to launch and retrieve provided you have the right trailer set up. Your Quest should be able to handle the load, although you will feel it. I towed my 18 with a Nissan Pathfinder short distances, less than 20 miles, with little problem. But I noticed it, and wouldn't want to tow it long distances. Pathfinder was rated to tow 3500. Now I tow it with a Ford Explorer V8 rated to tow 6500. Much easier. The Explorer's suspension is set up better for towing than the Pathfinder's. The Surburban should be even better for towing with its longer wheel base. Tbyrne's response is right on the money.
Whalerfan	posted 06-22-2000 09:45 AM ET (US) What can you tell me about the "right trailer setup? Roller keel with bunks? power winch? Brakes?
jimh	posted 06-22-2000 10:00 AM ET (US) Have you read the article about trailers in the REFERENCE section of the website? See http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/ I am working with Larry Goltz to add more information about brakes and hitches to that section. He just sent me some excellent photographs of his rebuilt trailer. Larry has 80,000 miles of trailering on his Outrage 25, so I consider him pretty well versed on the subject!
Whalerfan	posted 06-22-2000 10:48 AM ET (US) I did read the article which is where I got the Bunk/roller combination thought. I was wondering if there was anything else that could help in the launching retrieving process.
lhg	posted 06-22-2000 02:37 PM ET (US) Also hunt around on the Forum threads, as there are some fairly long ones with pro's and con's on the subject. One thing is becoming increasingly clear is that the keel roller trailers are getting hard to find. Dealers just don't want to search around to find, or bother with the keel roller style of trailer. They all have relationships with a particular brand, and most of those brands don't even make the keel roller models any more. They cost more than the simpler all bunk trailers, particularly if you're using the Stoltz poly rollers. But you get what you pay for in protection for your hull and ease of launching/retreiving.
triblet	posted 06-22-2000 03:11 PM ET (US) Later Pathfinder automatics were rated at 5000 pounds towing capacity. The sticks (even the current one with the big bad four cam motor) are only rated at 3500 -- probably a transmission life thing. My practice is to not make a habit out of towing much over half the capacity of the vehicle. I'm towing a Montauk (total rig weight a little over 2000 pounds) with a manual transmission Pathfinder (3500 pound cap.). That's fine, but I wouldn't want to tackle big mountains or a bigger boat on a regular basis with it. I once towed my late wife's 1968 Firebird on a monster rental trailer with my first Pathfinder (also 3500 pound cap.). I figure the rig weight (no motor in the FireChicken at the time) was right at 3500 pounds. It worked, but just, and it was all flat country, and only about 20 miles. Chuck Tribolet triblet@garlic.com