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Tom L posted 07-25-2000 08:22 AM ET (US)   Profile for Tom L   Send Email to Tom L  
I have admired Whaler over the years. Still do. Looking at buying another boat. Given the number of good boats on the market today that have good onboard storage and integral gas tanks; is the Montauk really competitive or is it just nostalgia that makes us lean toward them and lets us consider paying considerably more than for a comparable boat....say $13k for a 98 model with a 75 hp merc 2 stroke on a galvanized trailer. Help me here with some objectivity. Would you go outside for a mile or few and not feel foolhardy? Is the engine enough for good performance (I asked this on the performance board, also). I'll quit rambling. Thanks.
Tom Byrum posted 07-25-2000 09:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom Byrum  Send Email to Tom Byrum     
During Tuna season Montauks are seen out 30 miles and farther all the time. Ive done a lot of fishing in my buddys boat and its bumpy and you get wet but you always get back home.
bigz posted 07-25-2000 10:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Tom L

Let's for a moment look at the fact that in it's class meaning a 16 cc outboard there aren't many that have any more on board space few that have integral gas tanks (you can get a single Tempo to mount under the console on the Montauk) and none that will hold there resale value any where near the Montauk.

Montauk's have for years and years including there sisters and brothers (other models on the same basic hull) been used "near" offshore --- she's some what of a wet boat then so is most of that size in a cc --- a friend of mine and his son in Florida regularly go out 20-25 clicks off Cape Canaveral --- in an ancient Newport!

Now on the price --- your probably only talking at the outside a couple of thousand more than another brands boat in this category and that will be more than paid back when and if you ever decide to sell it. When you have well maintained 13's from the 60's and 70's selling for $3000 or more ( roughly cost less than $2500 new with motor) and the similar situations exist with the Montauck and to a some what a lesser degree the Outrages --- that in itself tells all about the value placed on these boats.

Them's my thoughts and what I know as fact others have there's and are always welcome at my camp fire with them may not agree but that's what makes for a good horse race --- Tom


PS welcome to the forum --- you might be playing at devils advocate with your question --- believe me on this forum we gots lots of DEVILS

Tom L posted 07-25-2000 10:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom L  Send Email to Tom L     
Thanks guys. Do either of you (or others) have experience or opinions on performance with the 75hp merc outboard (also a 98 model)? Do I need the 90 or 100, and therefore should continue looking. What kind of comments do you have about storage. As I recall there no lockers, save the anchor locker. Are the newer boats any dryer than the older ones. This one is a 98.

Nah, not looking at devil's advocacy (my wife might disagree), but she doesn't know me very well. Only been married 31ish years.

I appreciate your kind welcome to the board.

bigz posted 07-25-2000 11:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
TomL

Go to the "Performance" forum topic the most recent discussion is "90 or 115 for 17 foot Montauk" --- you can rummage through the rest of the post think there are other ones on the this topic earlier --- depending on your use the 75 might be a tad under powered and if your planning offshore might consider a kicker say a 9.9 same make so you can use the main fuel tank or tanks ---

Get creative --- you do have the front cooler and if you mount the tank in the console could easily build a looker under the seat --- no dryer --- that's why you buy a Mills dodger, bimini and storm curtain set up heh heh for a small fortune but worth every penny!
Tom

Dick E posted 07-25-2000 07:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick E  Send Email to Dick E     
I have a 98 Montauk with a 90 hp merc will do 42mph.
75Hp should give you around 38mph good enough for skiing . Would not go lower.

You need to choose your days to go outside.

$13,000 with trailer for a two year old Montauk is a great price if in good condtion.
I would jump on it

Tom L posted 07-25-2000 07:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom L  Send Email to Tom L     
Thanks Dick. Again, I hate to appear anal, but would you wait for one with a 90 or 100? I would imagine that it wouldn't be good economic move to try trading up to a 90 with the 75 as trade. Probably better off continue looking. What say? I imagine torque is considerably less too. Tom L
whalernut posted 07-25-2000 09:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
Tom, I believe the 75 and 90h.p. Mercury outboards are the same except for the carburation. I know they are the same weight. So I guess it all depends on you`re performance needs, being that weight of both engines are the same. Regards-Jack Graner.
Dick E posted 07-25-2000 11:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick E  Send Email to Dick E     
Tom :I get the 75hp unless you are a speed demon. As said above block is the same, you could do some modification in the carbs and increase hp to 90 hp.
Call a merc dealer and see how much the retrofit would run you.

I paid $20,000 in (98)for a new montauk ,9o hp merc, glavanized trailer,depth finder, radio compass, rear seat, Canvas,tax etc loaded.
$13,000 is a very good deal for a two year old Montauk
try www.traderonline for prices of used whalers

Tom L posted 07-25-2000 11:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom L  Send Email to Tom L     
Thanks Dick. This one apparently (haven't seen it) doesn't have any electronics, nor any canvas except Bimini. Does have rear seat and alum trailer according to seller.

Please see my last post over on the marketplace area. Some folks have me thinking I might should go looking for an Outrage, but if I used the well worn pun...they are..

I know they are two completely different characters. But it sure sounds like money aside, the rage is a lot more versatile boat.

What are your thought?

Thanks, Tom

Tom Byrum posted 07-25-2000 11:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom Byrum  Send Email to Tom Byrum     
Tom if I had 13,000 to spend on a boat it would be a 18' Outrage. Around here 8,000 will get you a nice Montauk. Dont worry about the year as much as the condition. If you do some reading on this forum I think you will find most Whaler types wouldnt even consider a late model over a classic. My buddys Montauk had a 1996 Johnson 90 hp. It was a rocket. My Outrage is a lot more comfortable and has a lot more room than his Montauk. I think a Montauk will go close to anywhere an 18 Outrage will, just a little slower and more careful. My Outrage will smoke him in a three foot chop though. Either way you go I think you will be happy.
Tom L posted 07-25-2000 11:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom L  Send Email to Tom L     
Thanks Tom. I'm getting the message from talking to good folks like you that it's ok to go with any boat as long as it is a Whaler. I am becoming a convert. Began looking for a Mako. Hadn't really thought about Whaler for a few years. But getting converted.

Where is "around here"? I'm in Atlanta. Most of the time will be spent on inland lakes such as Lanier here north of town & Hartwell on the SC, GA border. Occassional forays into the briny. Son is down near Savanah. Beginning sophmore year. Those creeks and salt marshes, inshore and slightly off (on a nice day) are beconing. Again rage or Montauk? Sounds like you are still favoring rage. I agree that bigger is usually better. Though harder to highway and load. 2,500 dry vs 950 dry is substantial. Though I probably have the muscle to pull either.

Thanks for the input. This board is superb.

Tom Byrum posted 07-26-2000 12:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom Byrum  Send Email to Tom Byrum     
Tom I own a 18' Outrage. Im in San Francisco. The ocean can be real dangerous around here and the boat you see the most offshore here is Whalers probably 3 to 1 easy. Most of these are Montauks. If you say your going out 35 miles after Tuna here in a 18' boat people say your nuts. Then if you tell them its a Whaler they say oh ok then.
Tom Byrum posted 07-26-2000 12:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom Byrum  Send Email to Tom Byrum     
I forgot to mention you were talking about a 2500 pound Outrage. Mine is an 89 and the hull weight on it is 1250 pounds. I have twin Yamaha 70s that weigh 225 apiece. My boat with twin engines completely loaded ready to go even with my fat butt on it dont weigh as much as a late model bare hull. Think classic you will be a lot happier I think.
Tom L posted 07-26-2000 12:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom L  Send Email to Tom L     
Thanks Guys. I'm talking to a guy down near the GA coast who has a 98 Montauk with a merc 75 horse on it. Also a guy down in SC who has a 85 model outrage with a 98 ocean pro on it. Sort of apples and oranges, but both whalers.

I have been everywhere with boats. from 12 foot fiberglas to 16, 17, 18, 21, 26, 30 o/bs & cruisers to 42 foot twin i/o houseboats & so forth. Highly qualified as a great waster of bucks on boats & the water.

I like whalers because of rep and function. I'm probably more than a bit crazy. But not foolhardy. I think I heard someone say that they see montauks 30 miles offshore on the left coast. Wow. I thought I might consider dashing a mile or very few outside on a blue bird day. Really safe to go those kind of miles out in an 18 foot rage. Needless to say a montauk? Much of my boating with be enclosed in inland lakes. Just want the capability to drag it without minimal fuss to the coast inshore and just outside. Sounds like some of the whaler guys do it with even montauks on the right day. Thoughts? Someone on the board seemed to be chiding me for not knowing exactly whatI want to do. Rightly so. Don't have kids to consider doing it with very much. mine are more in the mode of asking to borrow the keys and something to pull it with. Though my 19 year old guy has a jeep with a 4.0 liter 6 that will probably pull either. the primary concern with that is stopping the rig on the road with a short wheelbase. Thanks to all who have offered advice and opinions. Tom L

Tom L posted 07-26-2000 12:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom L  Send Email to Tom L     
I should have said with minimal fuss instead of without. I will also add again that folks are very "proud" of their rigs and rightly so. And I will also add again that folks are very proud of their rigs from a financial perspective. All tell me that I can throw away the NADA book prices on "classics" I guess classics are anyting older than a 98. Further I guess I can forget financing a classic. And that I'll have to dig up the cash and belly up to the bar.

Back to techs, sort of: Montauk will do most anything a 18 rage will do just wetter and bumpier, within reason. Tom L

whalernut posted 07-26-2000 03:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
Tom, a"CLASSIC" Whaler is basically any Whaler made in Rockland,Mass. before being sold and moved production to Florida in 1990. If I were you I would stick with the pre-90` Whalers, although some early nineties Whalers are o.k with the 3 peice commercial style rubrail, and I wouldn`t even think of buying a Brunswick made Whaler. I own a 1973 `16 Currituck and I love it. It is a bench seat model with the old hull design. I have a 75` 85h.p. Johnson on it and it flies. The old bare hulls weighed in at 500lbs.! The old outrage `18 is awsome. I saw one with a Johnson 115h.p. engine on it and I loved it(wasn`t for sale). The boat was an 83`. Stick with the Classic and I think you will be much happier. Those new Montauks seem and are in my opinion awfully cheap compared to the old ones. The ribbed rubrails are of terrible quality compared to the old 3 peice commercial style ones. Good luck-Jack Graner.
Tom L posted 07-26-2000 05:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom L  Send Email to Tom L     
Jack: Thanks for the info on classics. Others: Are there folks who are fans of the newer boats? Such as the '98 Montauk?
frank posted 07-26-2000 11:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for frank  Send Email to frank     
hi guys>>> i just wanted to say - the 18 outrage (like my 86) will weigh substantially more than a 17 ft montauk. i pull mine 100 miles from inland ma. to cape cod with a gmc sierra (350) although the truck cruises 65 no problem , you definately know its back there. in my humble opinion , if i were you i might seriously consider the montauk.especially for inland waters.>> you really wont go wrong with either boat re there both whalers.
andygere posted 08-02-2000 07:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
For what it's worth, I've been looking for a Revenge for a while, but (if all goes well) I'll be doing a deal on a Montauk tonight. It's just too good to pass up, and I've always wanted one. BTW, I've taken my old 13 a few miles out (Cape Cod) on decent days and always felt safe. Even when it got snotty, I always made it back. The Merc 40, however, is a different story....
whalernut posted 08-02-2000 08:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
Andy, I have heard of older Mercs. haveing alot of problems. I know people personaly that have had starting problems on the 70`s models. Also they had alot of stalling problems at idle and slow trolling. Regards-Jack Graner.
whalernut posted 08-02-2000 08:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
Andy, I have heard of older Mercs. haveing alot of problems. I know people personaly that have had starting problems on the 70`s models. Also they had alot of stalling problems at idle and slow trolling. Regards-Jack Graner.

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