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outrage/ guardian anyone know the difference
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posted 07-28-2000 02:33 AM ET (US)
hi whaler fans . thanks for the forum and the speedy replies from various owners. i was wondering if anyone could tell me the differences between an 86 18.6' outrage and guardian . my dealer told me my guardian has a beefed up hull. and larger stern cleats. if this is true than the hull must weigh more than the listed 1250 lbs. that whaler claims for that year. right????? any other differences??? thanks>>>frank
posted 07-28-2000 09:15 AM ET (US)
Your dealer is on target. It's a hull that is normally sold to commercial or goverment customers. Finish may be not up to consumer quality, but the high use areas of the hull (bottom of the hull where it would hit the beach, for example) have additional glass and resin added. Some models have options such as a stainless steel cutwater, to further beef up the abrasion areas. They used to be identified (prior to the Guardian name) by a black or red dot, molded in the gelcoat, right by the Whaler logo.
Best - Don
posted 07-29-2000 08:59 AM ET (US)
i had a 17 guardian dive boat... absolutely bullet proof :>) in addition to extra glass, it was strengthened for addition of extra stainless hardware as well as tank mounting racks. great all round boat for diving and although ugly as sin (console moved up to the very front to maximize area in back), it was also a good ski boat. woof!
posted 07-29-2000 11:36 AM ET (US)
Check out the Cetecea photo section & Forum section. There are pictures of 18, 22 & 25 Outrage models, and a 22 Guardian, to help you see the differences. If you want a new Classic Whaler Outrage/Revenge hull, you have only one choice, and that is to buy a Guardian model, specially ordered from the Commercial Products Division.
posted 07-29-2000 10:30 PM ET (US)
WE HAVE A 1989 22' GUARDIAN RAIDER. THE BOAT IS VERY HEAVY. THE FIBERGLASS IN THE HULL BELOW THE WATERLINE IS 1/2"-3/4" THICK AND ABOVE THE WATERLINE IS 3/8"-1/2" THICK. THE BOAT HAS FULL WOOD STRINGERS AND THERE IS WOOD BUILT INTO THE HULL IN NUMEROUS PLACES TO ACCOMMODATE EVERY IMAGINABLE OPTION AVAILABLE FROM THE FACTORY(PRIMARILY FOR THE MILITARY). THE TRANSOM AREA ON A GUARDIAN IS ALSO BEEFIER WITH A LOT MORE PLYWOOD THAN AN OUTRAGE HULL. ON SOME GUARDIAN HULLS YOU MAY FIND THAT THE MAX RATED HORSEPOWER IS QUITE SUBSTANTIAL. OUR BOAT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT FOR THE COAST GUARD AND FACTORY POWERED WITH TWIN 155HP OUTBOARDS(STANDARD GUARDIAN MAX HP IS 240). THE CLEATS ARE LARGE AND BOLTED TO 1/2" THICK ALUMINUM PLATES THAT ARE MOLDED INTO THE HULL. THE FUEL CAPACITY MAY ALSO OFFER A FEW CHOICES, OUR BOAT HOLDS 130 GALLONS IN LIEU OF THE STANDARD 77 GALLONS. THE GUNWALES ON OUR BOAT ARE CAPPED WITH 1/4" THICK ALUMINUM PLATES, BUT WE HAVE SEEN GUARDIANS WITH FIBERLASS AND/OR TEAK GUNWALE TOPS. CENTER CONSOLES/SEATS/LEANING POSTS ARE AVAILABLE IN SEVERAL STYLES MADE OF FIBERGLASS OR ALUMINUM AND MANY DIFFERENT MOUNTING LOCATIONS. DIFFERENT RAILINGS, SIDE DOORS, RUB RAILS, SS KEEL PROTECTORS, AND LIFTING RINGS ARE ALSO AVAILABLE ON A GUARDIAN.
BASICALLY, YOU HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS ON HOW YOUR GUARDIAN HULL IS BUILT AND RIGGED. KEEP IN MIND THAT WITH THIS CUSTOM MADE BOAT, YOU WILL HAVE THE CUSTOM PRICE TAG.
posted 07-31-2000 03:48 PM ET (US)
Dive 1: Questioning your comment that the Guardian is made with wood stringers in the hull. I don't how Whaler would be able to inject the foam if that was the case. I have several Commercial Product catalogs, and they never make mention of "wood stringers" being used. They only indicate heavier fiberglass hull lay up in the molds.
posted 07-31-2000 10:28 PM ET (US)
We procured several of these boats from the government and one of the hulls had been stripped bare. They cut the inside of the hull with a chainsaw to perform an inner hull inspection. The 2 inner vertical walls of the hull next to the fuel tank were solid hardwood(looked like mahogany). In the stern of the boat there is a wooden bulkhead that the stringers pass through before reaching the transom. We contacted Boston Whaler after receiving the boats to acquire a blueprint or drawing for the hull layup. We were informed that no one knew what happened to the original pencil drawings from these hulls and that all of the current drawings were on computer, but they did not match our hulls. We were also informed by BW that these hulls were made on a special government contract and that after the initial contract was fulfilled the government did not place any more orders against this hull specification.
posted 08-01-2000 07:34 AM ET (US)
Sounds to me Whaler used wood in the inter hull vertical sides of the gas cavity section to add additional reinforcement for the deck (maybe added protection for the gas tank) in addition to the usual fiberglass lay up -- I guess technically you could call them deck stringers however they did nothing for the integrate of the foamed in place inter and outer hull --- today in these areas whaler is using a composition polymer board product in various thickness to replace the plywood,solid wood or aluminum backing plates for reinforcement. According to my source they have just about completely eliminated using wood or aluminum for reinforcements --- Tom
posted 08-01-2000 09:19 PM ET (US)
thanks to everyone for the help.i really love to hear from fellow owners. if the 1987 18.6 guardian is that beefed up i have to figure at least another 300 lbs on the 18.6 advertised hull weight of 1250 lbs.
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