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crosley posted 08-20-2000 01:09 PM ET (US)   Profile for crosley   Send Email to crosley  
hi all,

first let me say i have thoroughly enjoyed being an observer of this board and site. just outstanding.

after a recent trip to the northern lakes of michigan i have the bug to buy my first boat. i've settled on a classic montauk as my choice. please be honest and talk a little about the yearly fees and costs of owning and maintaing a boat like a classic montauk. disregard the upgrades and toys that we all love to talk about. just the hard cold facts of ownership.

Arch Autenreith posted 08-20-2000 08:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Arch Autenreith  Send Email to Arch Autenreith     
Hi Crosley.
I've had my '84 Montauk for about 7 years now and I was just thinking about how much it costs me each year also. Certainly not that much in fixed expenses (about $20 for boat and trailer registrations and no insurance).
The rest of it - for me - is mostly a function of how much and I use it. Gas is by far the most followed by repairing props (as I don't have tilt/trim).
I have had motor troubles but I think it is because of the lousy repair job I had 3 years ago.
I did forget to mention that a lot of the costs are non-Whaler (but necessary;)) essentials: lots of fishing related stuff and that gets to be pricy over time. New rods, downriggers, outriggers, reels, fish-finders, etc., etc. My next purchase is going to be a GPS. Can't believe I've gotten along without it but after using a friend's I have to have one.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that the actual cost of the boat, other than the initial cost, is all part of my just liking of messing around in boats. An upgrade here, an improvement there...you know what I'm talking about. Mostly just personal time spend and nothing ever critical (other than when I hit a deadhead in the springtime).
Lastly, I guess it could be discouraging if I bought one and had major motor troubles so follow some of the advise given on other threads and have the engine(s) checked out I guess. Will be interesting to see what other say here also.
I know you asked for the skinny but this was the best I could do.
Welcome!!!
bboeri posted 08-20-2000 10:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for bboeri  Send Email to bboeri     
I have a 1984 Montauk with a Johnson 88 SPL with power tilt/trim. I bought it used 3 years ago. One of the joys of this boat is the versatility and low cost of operation. With the Johnson, I get about 3 miles to the gallon at cruising throttle (3500 rpm, about 25 mph). While trolling etc., it goes way up. I can stay out all day flyfishing for stripers and still come home with gas (2-9 gallon Tempo tanks, which I would like to upgrade to 12 or 13s). Since I live in the Northeast, I have to winterize the engine, which I do myself for about $20 in materials. I can also have the boat shrinkwrapped (it stays outside) for $10 per foot. I could cover it myself, but it just doesnt seem to work as well. I get it tuned up, including replacing the waterpump, once every 2 years for about $150. I refinish (varnish) the woodwork every 2 or 3 years for the cost of a pint of varnish. I also wax the hull periodically. Thats about it for regular maintenance. I had to have both the throttle and shift cables replaced this year since they both broke through the outer sheath (about $150 installed). I also bought a new battery this year for about $45, replacing the original 12 year old battery. The rest of the expenses have been toys like a vhf, fishfinder, GPS etc. I also purchased a Mills bimini for those infrequent hot sunny days (hardly any this summer, 56 days without going above 90 degrees). I also bought a new trailer since the one that came with the boat was way too short and wouldnt support the transom. I am always looking at other Monatuks for upgrade ideas, but the basic cost of running the boat is practically nothing. Even my wife doesnt complain about the expenses. We love it. Let me know if you have any other questions about the boat. Happy boating.
tarbaby posted 08-20-2000 10:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for tarbaby  Send Email to tarbaby     
An old boat with a new motor is the way to go. I live by it. Like the others have said, my only expenses are new toys and gas. I think that is why these boats are so great. Yes you might spend a little extra on a whaler but if you buy a bayliner I am sure that the yearly expenses will be higher. You get what you pay for. Can you tell me of another brand of boat with the sterling reputation of a whaler?
whalernut posted 08-20-2000 11:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
Bertram, I hear awsome things about the quality of these boats. I wish I could ride in one, but they are like buying a Dodge Viper, compared to the price of Whaler to a Trans Am. Regards-Jack Graner.
bigz posted 08-21-2000 06:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
crosley -- welcome to the forum --

Bottom line purchase a late 80's hull in good shape a late 90's engine or a new one and quality trailer up front --- spend the money there not on renovation or jerking around pouring money down the "carb" of an ancient motor!

Then aside from the usual annual maintenance on the boat and engine (DIY maybe a $100 on the boat and $100 or so on the engine --- yard or shop does it double it)and what the state extracts for registrations, your actual expenses will be determined by usage --- no hard and fast $$$ rules there, that's up to you --- the more you use and or abuse the more it will cost for that size boat ---

Regards Tom

bigz posted 08-21-2000 06:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=411422331

crosley you might want to keep an eye on the above Montauk --- looks pretty decent --- then again photos can be deceiving --- which is listed on eBay --- so far no bids which doesn't mean much ---

the Yamaha isn't bad either and if as it appears he maintained the motor as well as the boat would probably be ok ---

don't be turned off on the distance either we bought are 27 in FL and we are in NJ and a fellow I know bought a Revenge in Maine and he is in FL --- have to travel sometimes to find what you want yeah now ---

Tom

PS Jack the "Wahlernut" --- Grady White!!

whalernut posted 08-21-2000 05:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
Tom, I also love Grady Whites, but not all. I was at a dealer early this summer in Jersey and did not care for the newer ones. The ones since they changed the color sceem from black and white to blue and white. I thought the quality seemed way down for such a name. I would if I could buy an eighties era Grady White, but my wife might just kill me! Regards-Jack Graner.
Clark Roberts posted 08-21-2000 06:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
Crosley, here's my take on owning a Whaler classic 11'- 18'6"... Buy it right, use the hell out of it, keep it in good shape and sell it 5-10 years later for more than you paid plus upkeep! Now that's the ticket! happy Whalin'... Clark ... the Old Man and the Sea
bigz posted 08-22-2000 06:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
crosley -- just checked on the auction for the Montauk --- he pulled the auction early --- guess he must have got a good offer ---

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