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tcm posted 08-27-2000 09:29 PM ET (US)   Profile for tcm  
I have a 1969 13' sport which I am looking to
repower. I am seriously considering a 40hp
nissan. I have looked at the 4 strokes and don't like the extra weight. Any thoughts
or experiences with the nissan or 4 strokes.
fgb posted 08-29-2000 08:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for fgb  Send Email to fgb     
I have a 1964 13 footer and went through a lot of searching before I found a good motor choice. Because of the 15" transom, choices were extremely limited. I believe that the only 15" shaft motors I could find were the Nissan/Tohatsu 40's or the Merc. 40. How I longed for a 15' shaft omc product of similar horsepower. Then I saw a 35 HP 3 cylinder Johnson in a showroom. It was a tiller model but the shaft length was right. Upon closer examination, it was clear that this motor was designed for remote use as the tiller bolted directly to the steering knuckle with the shift/throttle cables running into the engine just as a remote model would have. Only 1 problem. It was a rope start. I'm 42 and the thought of janking a 35 did not excite me. However, much to my surprise, the 35 pulled more easily than my 25 2 cylinder. To make a long story short - I bought it and quickly adapted my teleflex and Johnson 2 lever shifter. They hooked up perfectly. The motor requires no battery, cables, or VRO tank, as it it under shroud. The bracket does not hang in the water. The weight is about 145. So I was lighter than the 55 Johnson 2 cyl. I was running by almost 40 pounds. Plus no weight from a battery. My 55 was powerhaed rated but the 35 is measured at the shaft. I expected similar performance. The 35 pushes my boat in the mid/high 30's. Also this is the first non-power trim motor that has ample tilt pin adjustments to compensate for the severe rake of the 13's stern. All for $2600. I have run against a 1998 40th Anniversary w/a 40 Merc and have run even.(Although if the owner figures out how to trim his boat, I could be in trouble.)
Seriously, this has been a great match for my 13. Check it out.
tcm posted 08-29-2000 09:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for tcm    
fgb, thanks for the info. I'm on my way to the OMC dealer
whalernut posted 08-29-2000 09:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
Guys, I used to own a 71` `13 Whaler with a 76` 35h.p. Evinrude short shaft. I loved that engine. It had great top end as well as trolled as slow as I liked. Mine was the old 2cylinder version, I believe the new ones are 3cylinder. Mine was also a pull start with tiller handle, but I had steering conected with no problem. One time my steering snapped, and the tiller handle got me back to dock! Mine was 50/50 mix, but ran great. I didn`t know that OMC had oil-injection reserve under the cowling? The 70h.p. and the 90h.p. has a remote tank. I don`t care for those tanks. Good luck. Regards-Jack Graner.
bigz posted 08-30-2000 05:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
2001 NS40D2EFTO1 NISSAN 40 HP Electric Start, 3 Cyl, Power Trim/Tilt, Oil Inj., Short Shaft (15")

MSRP: $3807.00 YOUR PRICE: $2806.00

Shiping averages $90-$100 and if you don't live in LA no sales tax ---

The only reason I point this out is the electric t&t is very useful to get full performance from a 13 or any Whaler for that matter --- not saying using manual can't be done but you can't do it on the fly!

Website URL is http://mobiletel2.mobiletel.com/~helen/directnissan.html

You will have to pick up the remote separate and if you go with any dealer don't let them give you the crap they have to do the rigging on these little guys if you want the remote package --- just buy the motor and the controls separate ---

Tom

PS hope you all are going to support JimH's award with a contribution

fgb posted 08-30-2000 09:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for fgb  Send Email to fgb     
Plus controls, plus battery plus,plus gauges,etc.etc....too much weight. Prop, tank , hose are included w/ the 35 OMC. Plus its an OMC.
reeltime2 posted 08-31-2000 08:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for reeltime2  Send Email to reeltime2     
bigz,
Do you have info on a new nissan 70 i.e. price ect.?
Thanks,
Rick
bigz posted 08-31-2000 08:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Rick no I don't, would suggest you give the operation listed above a call and ask --- toll free --- not even sure on that size they will sell direct might though Tom
bigz posted 08-31-2000 08:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
"fgb"

Hey whatever floats your boat do it!

Don't take it personal, might remind you this is a forum and a forum is a place folks ask for information and advice and in turn hope they will receive information and advice --- the more the better. It is still up to say "tcm" to make the decision on what he wants to power his sport with and the more options and opinions he receives the easier the decision or at least he has the information for one.

By the way generally on 40hp and above a tank isn't included with electric start remote motors.(neither are gauges on any motor)I guess the reason the ones smaller are the companies figure folks want it right out of the carton ready to go on their aluminum fishing boat --- just a marketing gimmick which adds little to their cost but presents to a consumer a great deal since a retail tank and hose cost a bit particularly if it is the manufacture's brand hose and tank --

I have no agenda for any make or model outboard always open for advice --- heh heh -- Clark Roberts and "lgh" actually have me almost convinced Mercury isn't to bad of a choice to replace our aging 200hp twin Yamaha's!!

I have a '90 Force 35hp on the '89 Sport 13 we have runs fine but would like t&t --- option spend $440 and get a CMC t&t unit plus the bonus of a slight offset putting the motor out in cleaner water --- just haven't decided to spend the money for that or sell the motor and get a 40hp t&t and then get a jack plate decisions -- decisions --- get my drift --- Tom

Clark Roberts posted 08-31-2000 01:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
Right on , Tom..... viva la choice... Clark
fgb posted 08-31-2000 09:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for fgb  Send Email to fgb     
My point is simply that this was an option that few people realize. I spent over a year comparing engines suitable for my 13. The 15" shaft makes our choices few. Most people that search can only find 2 selections-Merc or Nissan/Tohatsu. With only the Nissan having trim as an option. Not avail. on 15" mercs. Both had different bolt patterns requiring additional holes to be drilled. I like having 75+ fewer pounds on the stern, on my particular hull that makes having power trim superfluous. As many 13's I have owned, it has a tendency to ride very flat, especially when riding at high throttle settings. It allows the boat to ride higher, preventing unsightly bottom paint from appearing above the chine should an owner choose to keep his 13 in the water.Shallow water drive is also a handy option. The small bracket conforms to the rounded transom very well. It can be flushed in the water, or out, running or not. The factory 4 blade prop provides an incredible hole shot and excellent all around performance. Availability of service (by a quick internet search of available service outlets) is much more readily available.Another nicety,with the 12 gal underseat tank from WEST MARINE, my entire deck area is clear.The guardian anchor system w/6ft of chain and 150' of line,horn,4 mooring lines, collapsible paddle, and manual bilge pump (poor man's saltwater washdown)all fit in the bow under seat storage. It's just a nice package, and for those of us that want to keep our 13 foot boats clean,simple,and original it provides a nice alternative.

tcm posted 08-31-2000 09:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for tcm    
Thanks for the info guys.

I had done some research on my own before I posted and found Nissan\Tohatsu were the only ones with power trim and tilt on a 40 hp with a 15" shaft.

I was hoping I missed something else with power trim and tilt since that is what I really wanted. So I'm leaning toward Nissan.

The 35hp OMC option sounds very viable and something I had not thought of, but the old 1969 Johnson 40hp thats on the boat now is electric start so I already have the battery in the boat.

Thanks again.

compounder posted 08-31-2000 10:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for compounder  Send Email to compounder     
Whalernut, just as an aside, what is the 50/50 mix you keep referring to? Thanks.
reeltime2 posted 09-01-2000 10:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for reeltime2  Send Email to reeltime2     
compounder,
I think he means 50 to 1.
Rick
whalernut posted 09-01-2000 06:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
You`re right Rick, I do mean 50;1 gas to oil mix ratio, thanks. Regards-Jack Graner. tcm, are you saying the OMC 35h.p. engine doesn`t come with a power tilt/trim option? They really should offer it. My 76` didn`t have it, but some people like it. Did you also say it isn`t electric start, if not that should be an option.
fgb posted 09-01-2000 09:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for fgb  Send Email to fgb     
Whalernut
fgb posted 09-01-2000 09:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for fgb  Send Email to fgb     
Whalernut
fgb posted 09-01-2000 09:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for fgb  Send Email to fgb     
The 35 OMC comes w/power trim and tilt standard on the 20" remote models.

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