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cxc0zyk posted 09-18-2000 01:42 PM ET (US)   Profile for cxc0zyk   Send Email to cxc0zyk  
I have a relative who is selling his 1994 24 outrage. He originally offer it for 27,500 (which I thought was a great price). But then changed his mind about selling the boat. Now he is serious about selling it and I am considering buying it (It would be a big stretch for my budget (I have a 2 year old son)). The boat has a single 250 yamaha, 225 gallon gas tank, T-top, Trim Tabs, outriggers, spray hood, full cover, low hours, trailer and is in immaculate condition. I currently use a 1984 17 Whaler Center console with a 1998 90 Johnson. The questions are...
How much do you think I can get for my 1984 17 whaler?
Is this a good price for the 24 Outrage?
How much is the yearly maintenance on the 24 whaler?
Can I pull the 24 whaler with my 1995 Explorer (two cap 5000), two miles to and from the ramp (and be able to get it out of the water)?

PS If I don't buy it my best friend may, but he lives 220 miles away (At least this great deal may go to a friend)

Thanks,

Carl

bigz posted 09-18-2000 03:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Hi Carl,

Welcome to the forum.

Sounds like a good deal on the 24 --- and if anything is wrong can always go beat on your relative --- chuckle --

Maintenance probably no more than your 17 just more elbow grease and you have a little more in systems to keep tidy and working --- insurance will be more on the rig ---

Haven't a clue on your 17's value, just a guess would say in the area of +12k since it has a newer engine ---

Need a load equalizing hitch class 3, that's about it for that short of haul --- wouldn't have a problem retrieving the 24 if you add a power winch ---

Hope that helps Tom

Ed Stone posted 09-18-2000 09:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
Sounds to me like a good deal,How many hours
on the Yamaha?Is it a Alum.trailer?
What kind of electronics?
That 24 is a big step from a 17?
They make a bench seat that fits across
the stern. they also have a optional
portta-potti that fits in the center console.
good luck!
lhg posted 09-18-2000 10:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
The 24 Outrage is heavier than the Classic 25 Outrage, so I know you'll be "pushing" the towing limit of your Explorer, especially if it is a high suspension 4-wheel drive. (and if has the defective Bridgestone tires!!!) Remember the towing limit of a vehicle includes the dead weight of the trailer, which is at least 1000 lbs in a 6000# capacity trailer as would be needed. You probably need a towing limit of more like 7000# (a full size SUV) for a Whaler like that. You may have trouble pulling the boat out of steeper ramp.

Other than that, the boat is fine, and has nice lines. The only problems I've heard about that model was a tendency for the white gelcoat to develop yellow discoloring blotches, impossible to remove. Recently saw one in this condition, and a friend had the same problem with one in FL.

A dealer that I know (who has extensive experience in both the 24's & 25's) has told me that into a head sea, where speed is important, the boat will ride smoother than the Classic Outrages, mainly because of it's deeper vee. But for the same reason, is nowhere near as stable laterally in other sea conditions, or for fishing. The Coast Guard has bought some of these, but appears to generally favor the older, more expensive, 25' model, probably for all around stability and sea keeping abilities.

bigz posted 09-19-2000 06:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Carl ------- LHG makes a good point -- that is if your going to travel all over creation with the rig!! --- 4 miles round trip assuming it ain't over a mountain --- your '95 Explorer taking it easy shouldn't have a problem or cause excessive wear on the drive train ---

If you do decide to buy her would be great for you to post "first hand" experience of the ride/stability and performance --- the forum is lacking actual hands on experience data on the newer Whalers ---

Tom

PS What does your relative use to haul her with?

cxc0zyk posted 09-19-2000 09:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for cxc0zyk  Send Email to cxc0zyk     
Thanks for the input,

The ramp I use is very shallow and I live in South Florida, so I will not see any hills on the way to the ramp (or bridges). I have taken the boat out about 5 to 7 times in different conditions in the past 6 years. The hours on the engine are low (no more than 300). He had a Yamaha machanic service the engine on a yearly basis. The boat also has a Yamaha 25 kicker. The boat does have a removable head. The electronics include, radio, stereo, depth (fish finder), GPS and all of the gauges (rpm, fuel consumption, speed...). I did not look at the electronics closely but they all look high-end. The trailer is aluminum and he just had everything replaced: two axles, hubs, spindles, springs, stainless steel brakes. He had a Ford Bronco 4x4 to pull the boat with, which he sold. Recently he was using one of his companies trucks (an big F150 which is not available to me). I know the Explorer is undersized for the job 165hp/205 torque. It is not 4x4, but is does have limited slip diferential (tow package) and a class 3 hitch (frame mounted). I only plan to use the explorer to get to the ramp and back. But there is no way I can afford to buy this boat and another vehicle to pull it. I have a few friends with 4x4 full size pickups who like to fish. I am still weighing the financing vs fun issue on this boat. I think it is a great deal, but it is alot of money for me. I currently have a great time with my 17 (fishing, snorkeling, skiing, the flats). The big benefit with the 24 is I could get my wife and kid on the boat more often. In addition trips to the Bahamas and the Dry Tortugas would now be possible.

lhg posted 09-19-2000 12:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
The boat sounds like a nice deal for the $27,500 and it seems the owner has poured money into it with great maintenance & equipment. A new 26, basically very similar in size, although a lot heavier, (the extra length is really a molded-in euro transom bracket) would run over $65,000. If you don't buy it, maybe someone else lurking here will be interested.
Have him post it in "Marketplace" if it's really for sale. Why is he selling it? I've noticed a lot of those for sale in the FL market in the last two years.
Ed Stone posted 09-20-2000 09:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
Hey larry,
I noticed your estimate on the 26 outrage.
I've been looking at some new and used
Whalers.I've been quoted so many diffrent
prices.I would think the 26 with twin
motors would be well over 65.They priced
a 23 with twins and a T-top at almost 60.
granted I have not priced any 26footers.
By the way you have a couple of really
fine Whalers!
Ed Stone
lhg posted 09-21-2000 01:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Thanks, Ed, for the compliment on my Whalers. Regarding the new 26, I was trying to quote "apples for apples" with a single engine setup, which actually is probably not recommended for the 26. You're right, I think one with a pair of Optimax 225's would be close to $80 grand with a trailer. No wonder the Classic Whalers are so popular!
cxc0zyk posted 09-25-2000 01:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for cxc0zyk  Send Email to cxc0zyk     
I waited to long and missed my chance. My Uncle sold it to a friend a few days ago. But that's ok, I am happy with my 17 1984 whaler (I did not want to sell it). I will wait a few more years to acquire a bigger boat (a 19 to 23 outrage). Thank you for the info,

Carl

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