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philipat posted 09-19-2000 01:32 PM ET (US)   Profile for philipat   Send Email to philipat  
I am looking for a used motor. What time of year is typically best to buy one? Is it now or the spring when people are likely to be repowering?
reeltime2 posted 09-19-2000 01:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for reeltime2  Send Email to reeltime2     
Now is a very good time to get a left over 2000 while the dealers are reciving 2001 models.
Rick
philipat posted 09-19-2000 04:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for philipat  Send Email to philipat     
I was thinking something a little older than 2000. Maybe something between 4 and 10 years old.
reeltime2 posted 09-19-2000 04:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for reeltime2  Send Email to reeltime2     
I dident see the word used there I guess it would be a good time to get a used motor now that the season is almost over up north.
Rick
Mark D posted 09-19-2000 05:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Mark D    
What size are you looking for?
lhg posted 09-19-2000 07:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Two thoughts on the best time to find a used outboard.

If you're in a warm climate, where boats are used all year long, I'd guess that now, when the new motors are coming out and interest in purchasing a new one, or a new "left over" is high, would be a good time. Those people may even "test the FSBO (For Sale By Owner) market" to find out if they can sell the old one, and for how much. (If they just trade, they'll take a bath).

But in a colder climate, where the boat will be laid up for 6 months, my guess is the "why put out the money for a new one now" mentality will prevail, which means the new ones won't be bought until Spring, so that's when the used ones will become available.
Boats are different than only motors, since people up North often try to sell boats in the Fall, (mostly without much success) to avoid winter storage expense, and to get a better handle on what they'll have to spend for the new boat order over the winter!

All of this is why the boat show circuit begins just after New Year.

All in all, the subject of buying a used Outboard(s) is an interesting one, and worthy of more discussion here, as it seems like it's not easy to do on the individual level, unless you just happen to know someone personally. One tends to see very little advertising of used engines by individuals, with the Dealers, instead, seemingly in control of this market. The larger ones are heavy to handle, and most don't want to deal with control rigging, etc. Most seem to be traded in, but where do they go from there?

I've got a pair of mint Merc in-lines sixes that I'm considering trading in, for which I'd take a bath, and was wondering if it's even possible to sell a matched set of twins at the individual market level..

Peter posted 09-19-2000 08:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Larry's comments are right on the money. About a month ago, I traded in a 1986 Johnson 225 for a leftover 2000 Yamaha. Saved some money on the 2000 model. Actually, the old motor wasn't literally traded-in, a local wholesaler bought it. I had the dealer arrange the "trade-in" simply because I thought it was too difficult to manage a FSBO due to the handling. Needless to say, I got soaked. I assume the wholesaler will clean it up because it ran ok and resell for a profit or, on the other hand, part it out. But for the particular timing convenience of this transaction, I probably would have waited until the spring to buy a 2001 model. I still would have traded-in the old one though.

Larry -- if your Merc's are mint, why would you trade them in?

philipat posted 09-19-2000 09:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for philipat  Send Email to philipat     
Mark D

I am looking for something to go on a 17ft Whaler. I am looking for something between 90 and 110hp.

Mark D posted 09-19-2000 10:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for Mark D    
I'll keep an eye for you.
lhg posted 09-20-2000 03:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Regarding my twin 115's, not really sure I'll ever be able to part with them, since they've been on the 18 Outrage since new, and I love the look and sound of them. But as I get older, I'm finding less "need for speed" on this boat, and was thinking about getting newer technology and horsepower closer to the boat's 150 rating! I don't think I've ever had them opened up to the 5800 rpm limit! This pair of engines is best suited for a 20 or 22 Outrage. The "Rendezvous" section has several pictures of this boat showing the engines.
Peter posted 09-20-2000 09:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Larry,

What is the estimated top end with the twins? Whatever it is, it surely should satisfy anyone's need for speed. Under most circumstances, they must never have to work very hard. I'd expect them to last nearly a lifetime if well cared for and they certainly look like they are.

When I open up the 150 on my 18 with a new passenger whose never been on it before, I usually get a pretty big grin out of them. I can't imagine what kind of grin one would get with the twins.

lhg posted 09-20-2000 09:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Peter: I estimate top speed between 62 & 65mph. I normally run them around 2200-2600 rpm where they are loafing along around 25-30mph (Unless I'm trying to keep up with "Kingfish" is his 22 Outrage and mis-calibrated GPS!!!). I do know that one engine, the other tilted out of the water, will still provide about 35mph. I have always thought that one of the benefits of an overpowering situation is much longer engine life, with higher pitch props being used, and I have found that to be true. Kind of like overdrive on the car. I always idle around in no wake zones, and for trolling, on just one engine. Don't need all that power to go 5mph! Cruising at 30mph and about 2600rpm, I get about 3 miles to the gallon.
Peter posted 09-20-2000 10:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Larry,

Wow. At that speed there's probably no boat in the water. Your riding on the anti-cav plates! I'm an advocate of putting at least the maximum rated horsepower, if possible, on any boat. It's there if you need it, but you don't have to use it. Because the bigger engine is loafing at cruising speeds, it should last longer. At least thats my observation. The ol' 14 year old 150 on my 18 loafs at 3200-3400 rpm crusing at a speed of about 30 getting over 3 mpg. Most of the time its not working very hard during normal use. Pretty much as strong as it was when new. Still turns a 21 inch Raker to about the 5000 rpm rating.

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