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blackdog posted 09-27-2000 09:23 AM ET (US)   Profile for blackdog   Send Email to blackdog  
Hi, Just bought a new B/W 16 ft Dauntless (2001). Ran it about 5 hours and when I pulled it out of the water I found a slight indentation off of the hull on the bottom about 2 feet from the keel. It did not look like damage from an object but a slight depression of about an 1/8 of an inch with some pits in it. Should I be concerned? Should I ask them to swap out the boat or is a repair in order. I bought a new boat and I think I should be entitled to a defect free product. But I think the dealer may try to have it repaired. Would a repair be OK? Will the repair be visible if I try to sell down the road reducing my value? Help!
bigz posted 09-27-2000 11:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Take it back to the dealer you have a warranty and see what they say.

By the way which BW dealer in NJ or PA did you get it from?

I assume your boating with your dog -- a Lab?

Welcome to the forum---

Regards
Tom

lhg posted 09-27-2000 09:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Do you have the boat sitting on a bunk style or wobble roller trailer? Could be damage from carrying the weight of the hull and engine in the wrong place (keel is the correct place), or even shipping/storage damage. This will compress the foam slightly, like you describe. Whaler or Dealer should respond to your problem, but something is wrong. You should not have that condition on a new hull. Whaler hulls will also compress a little when they are placed on the typical two supports of the forklift/rack storage places. This has happened to me.
blackdog posted 09-28-2000 10:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for blackdog  Send Email to blackdog     
Thanks for the replies and welcoming me to the forum. We have a black and white Cocker and a brown and white one also.

Your input is greatly appreciated. I bought the boat in NJ but I’ll wait to tell you who the dealer is to see how they handle this and report back to you. Initial indications are good. I spoke to the service manager who logged in my concern and assured me it would be taken care of. I then received a call from the sales rep and said they would take care of it probably with a repair of some sort but I would never be able to tell and my warranty is for 10 years.

As for the type of trailer – I got the trailer from them and it is:”Keel Roller” Load Rite. I was told the only trailer that you should use per Boston Whaler and that sounds like good advise from you comments. The rollers only touch the keel so I am sure it did not occur from that. Interesting comment about the Forklift and Storage. Sounds more like what happened.
Will a repair or Patch be OK? How will it age and will it reduce the value of my beloved BW.

Despite all I really love the way this boat handles- gets on plane quick and has a dry ride. The no feed back steering is tight and hard to turn but I was told that is normal? Any thoughts… on that…I elected to power this boat with the 115 Evinrude Fitch Ram. I have seen some bad press on OMC so I got a 6 year warranty. Only have run the boat about 5 hours so I will let you know. So far it runs great with no Smoke / very quite and plenty of power.

Reliant posted 09-28-2000 12:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Reliant  Send Email to Reliant     
Black Dog - is your steering hard to turn in either directions or just one? I assume your no feed back steering is hydraulic. I just put Teleflex SeaStar Pro no feed back steering on my 25' outrage and it is very easy to steer. Kind of like power steering in a car. If yours is hard to turn in one direction only, under speed, it may be that the fin at the bottom of the lower unit needs to be adjusted to counteract the pull of the prop in one direction. I know there is a technical name for this fin, but I can not think of what it is.

Hope this helps.

blackdog posted 09-28-2000 12:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for blackdog  Send Email to blackdog     
Reliant- Hard to steer in either direction -constant even tension. It is not Hydraulic. I mean I have driven other boats and they all steered very easily. When I went on the test ride and the sales rep drove it and said it was normal with this cable steering and no feedback system and to just plane up the engine until it was comfortable to steer. My boat is 2001 16ft Dauntless. Thanks for the info.
whalernut posted 09-28-2000 07:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
blackdog, I test drove a new 95` `17 Dauntless in 95` and it had no-feedback, non-hydrolic steering and it was tight all over and I didn`t care for it. I`ll take the basic rack-n-pinion over a non-feedback anytime, just my preference. Also I really didn`t care for the `17 Dauntless overall, I am really in deep in Classic Whalers, and they didn`t trip my wires, it didn`t ride, drive, look or feel like a Classic, so I passed on it. To each it`s own. Good luck with you`re new Whaler. Regards-Jack Graner.
Ed Stone posted 09-28-2000 10:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
Hey blackdog,
Somtimes you can adjust the trim on your
motor and create a smoother effect on your
steering.I,ve heard OMC has corrected all
the problems on the ficht motors.
It seems all the brands of motors have
had problems new direct injection motors.
Now there is rumors Yamaha is having problems
with theirs.
Ed Stone
blackdog posted 09-29-2000 09:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for blackdog  Send Email to blackdog     
Walernut
As far as the deep V hull verses the less aggressive V of the Dauntless. The difference is slight and I choose the Dauntless because it drawls less water than the Outrage. For my use in back bays and some excursion out in the inlet - the best choice. The Acutrack Hull runs smooth in small chop and the boat has a very dry ride. It seemed the best of both worlds for me. Very Versatile. I think the 95 you saw used to be a dual console, more like the Ventura ? I too like the center console.

Ed - Yes, Planing the motor up does help with the steering.

bigz posted 09-29-2000 09:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Blackdog heh heh you can take our Whalernut with a grain of salt --- just fun to listen to him rant now and then -- actually he has been pretty quite lately ---

If the dealer uses (sure they will) a good fiberglass shop or man to repair the ding you'll never know it existed -- wouldn't be concerned -- and will age the same as the surrounding area with no decrease in the value of the boat ain't like you ripped out the keel --- chuckle ---

Regards Tom

whalernut posted 09-29-2000 04:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
Tom, rant-n-rave me? Blackdog, you`re right it was the dual console model, you know the one thing that I really did like about that model was the way it took the Lake Erie wave pounding. It took 4 footers with the greatest of ease, I really liked that. As opposed to my 73` `16 Currituck, you know you hit a 4 footer with the Tri-Hull. It`s a trade off that I really have to deal with, and it has bench seats- Ouch! In a quirky kind of way, I kind of like the rough ride, you really feel like you`re working the vessel instead of just riding in it. Regards-Jack Graner.
blackdog posted 10-02-2000 10:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for blackdog  Send Email to blackdog     
Just an update on the Hull . Dealer is handling this situation very well. They looked at it Saturday Morning and assured me it will be fixed and it was not structural in nature. Just a blemish. They will have it repaired when I send the boat to be winterized in November. Quality control at Whaler must have missed it!
bigz posted 10-02-2000 11:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Ok BD sounds like you got it under control --- so which one did you buy her from??
Hance & Smythe, Inc... in Manahawkin...
Island Marine Center..in Ocean View...
McCarthy's Marine Sales..in Brielle...
Pelican Harbor, Inc..in Lanoka Harbor...
or
In PA...
Clews & Strawbridge..in Malvern...

Tom

blackdog posted 10-02-2000 02:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for blackdog  Send Email to blackdog     
Island Marine has been treating me very well. I just referred someone to them.

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