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tbirdsey posted 10-11-2000 12:10 AM ET (US)   Profile for tbirdsey   Send Email to tbirdsey  
Last summer I saw one of the most beautiful classic whalers I can remember -an old 21 in mint condition. Although I know the ride does not compare with the Dougherty era hulls, the look of these boats is so distinctive (and attractive) that I'm continually intrigued with the idea of getting/restoring one. I know the earliest versions featured the (dump truck) sides. Can someone help me out with the years these boats were made, when the external, dump truck style ribs went away, and what, if any, other differences there may have been in those early years. Thanks
jimh posted 10-11-2000 12:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     

You should talk to Don McIntyre. I was up in Port Huron last weekend and saw his restored Outrage-21--it is beautiful.

The varnish is great, the hull has been totally re-gelcoated; it looks like a new boat.


lhg posted 10-11-2000 01:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Tom: The ribbed sided 21 Outrages, BW's 4th hull design innovation (13, 16 & squall preceeded it), were made in 1971 & 1972. In 73, they smoothed up the sides. I agree, they were radical beauties. Crozier had one of the first ones, which he kept up on Lake George. His was a '71 with twin Merc 85's. Nice boat. You seemed to think he still has it. I still remember, the boat listed for $6500 new! JimH has a couple of pictures in Cetacea of one, since painted blue, that I see around my place in FL sometimes. They're around, but getting rare. I too have thought of fixing one up if I could find a good one.
They had a teak console, with canvas windshield,and this was the boat that introduced the teak-backed reversible pilot seat, and the classic Whaler low-backed stern seat. In it's day, it truly was an "outrageous" looking boat, hence the name.
Incidentally, I believe Bob Dougherty did a lot of the design work on this boat. This was also the beginning of the Whaler bow "smirk".

2001 marks an important milestone for Boston Whaler boats, and I bet they'll miss them both. It seems the Sea Ray folks just don't care much about the company's famous innovative design history.
The 16 & it's center console invention was introduced in 1961, now with a 40th anniversary, and the above mentioned Outrage in 71, now with a 30th anniversary. Don't think there are any special models in the works this year, however. What a missed opportunity. Now days it seems it's only super smooth ride,
millions of storage compartments and Euro design that counts and sells. These early Whalers had none of this, but maybe that's what we all love about them.

dgp posted 10-11-2000 02:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for dgp  Send Email to dgp     
In December of last year I emailed BW asking if they were planning a 2001 40th Anniversary model of the Montauk. They did a 30th Anniversary model in '91.
Customer Service replied back that they had not heard of such plans. Another missed sales opportunity by BW to sell more classic hulled BWs. Look at Harley's success capitalizing on each of their 5 year milestones with anniversary models. Don
hauptjm posted 10-11-2000 10:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for hauptjm    
Regarding the '71 Outrage. I have access to a '71 in dire need of TLC. I basically grew up on this boat and the owner (original) and I have been friends since childhood. Kids, a classic Cal-36 (also the original owner) and other priorities have taken their toll on the Whaler. Just not enough time for him to put the old vessel back in shape. Basically, it's a refit. New power, rebuild of console (original) and probable re-gelcoat are necessary, not to mention the various items of cost like steering mechanism (hydralic), controls running lights, etc.etc.

Question: If I, or anyone elsewere, were to take on this project, what would be my cost? Fair value on hull alone?

Assumption: New OMC 175 Oceanrunner, Hydralic steering and components, re-gelcoat, new controls and a general fund for extra fitting ( of which I would do the work, i.e. rebuild teak console, etc.).

I know this is a tough one, but with the broad knowledge base we have here in this forum, I hope we can come up with some ideas!!

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