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David S posted 10-15-2000 11:10 AM ET (US)
Friends,
Several weeks ago many of you were kind enough to pass on to me some well stated advise on the merits of an older 17'-18' Outrage vs the newer incarnations. I'm convinced. So if might impose once again. I have my eye on an '85 with a 115 Yamaha that will likely go in the $7000 to $8000 range. He says that a recent compression test was good. There is also a '91 with a 150(?) Yamaha that was recently rebuilt advertised for $12000. Bothtese boats are quite some distance away and so I would likely pay for a survey. Could you kindly illuminate any particular strengths or weakness between these two incarnations. If they were both in good shape for their age, is the additional $ for the newer boat worth it. It seems to me that even if I had to rebuild the older Yamaha, I still come out ahead. Which would you buy and why. Any particular things to look for and questions to ask the owners would be welcome. Again, thank you very kindly for your replies.
David S
David S posted 10-15-2000 11:18 AM ET (US)
CORRECTION: Sorry for the confusion gents, but the '85 has the 150 and the '91 has the 115.
David S
jimh posted 10-15-2000 06:56 PM ET (US)
Hi David,
If you haven't already, you'll want to read these:
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/rendezvous/dayOne.html
and
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/rendezvous/dayTwo.html
I describe the two different styles of Outrages, both at the end of the daily narratives.
Note that the '91 weighs more and in the two boats you mention has less HP on the transom.
I think the hull forms are identical, it is just the interiors that changed, along with the weight.
Both are great boats!
--jimh
maverick posted 10-15-2000 07:21 PM ET (US)
You wrote: "I have my eye on an '85 with a [150] Yamaha that will likely go in the $7000 to $8000 range. He says that a recent compression test was good."
WOW! $7-8k for an 85 Outrage? What a GREAT price IF the hull is good. Consider this - IF you sell off the old motor for $1000, you'll have about $7k invested. IF you repower with ALL NEW, that's about another $8500. That means for about $15k you'll have an awesome rig, that is as new. I can't tell you about the 1991 hull you mentioned, I've never run one - mine's an 85 18.6 hull with fairly new 150 J. Bear in mind that I've got about $18k in mine! I'm not complaining, but your possibility is much better than mine! Better jump on that! One other thing - mine had "old salty power" on it when I bought, and I was GLAD to get NEW, RELIABLE power on it. Pay the man. The hull is already a winner.
".......likely pay for a survey." I'd make SURE the hull has NEVER BEEN HIT and patched, as the low price makes me wrinkle my forehead a bit in question. I don't like bottom paint UNLESS I know what's under it - I'd be careful if it has bottom paint and be sure. "....if I had to rebuild the older Yamaha, I still come out ahead...." A rebuild is never as good as a factory fresh motor. My brother has gone through several rebuilds, same engine, different engines. You get what you pay for. Be careful, take your time, keep asking questions. You're on the right track. Chuck in South Carolina, aka Maverick
jimh posted 10-16-2000 11:28 PM ET (US)
Oops!
I am in error. I was thinking the '91 was an Outrage-II model, but it is probably an Outrage (Classic) which means it should be the same weight as the '85.
The price range you mention is very good. If I recall, a mid-80's Outrage-18 sold this summer in an instant for $15-16,000 in the Great Lakes area.
--jimh
David Reid posted 10-17-2000 12:44 PM ET (US)
David S, just read through this string and wonder if the rig with 115 power is the smaller 17'3" hull that is rated for up to 120h.p.? The 150 would correspond with max rated power for the 18'6" hull. I am familiar with both, with these power configurations and can say either way, you'll get a smooth, dry ride topping out in the 45mph range depending on prop, gear and only you on the boat... both are super rigs that you'll be happy with. But the larger hull feels like a LOT more boat: 15" more length, 6" more beam and only 230 more lbs. of weight. Having a repowered 1986 18'6", I'm partial of course. The $7,000 price for a 17'3" hull is a steal unless she's been severely damaged. Echo Maverick's comments. The $12,000 is about average, probably a fair price for what you describe if the hull is in good shape. The teak-covered 18's clean up real pretty. I don't think the 17's came with teak gunwales... that's a plus to some folks.
David Reid posted 10-17-2000 01:06 PM ET (US)
Just found another data point for you on the [New Orleans] Times-Picayune Classifieds on-line. There's a 1994 18'6" Outrage 19 for sale with 150 h.p. and trailer and some extras asking $18,500. That will likely be the newer, 600 lb. heavier version brimming with cute 'lil cubby-holes, molded-in live well, aft corner seats and all (some folks actually like the creature comforts), but still a super rig.
David S posted 10-17-2000 08:49 PM ET (US)
Gentlemen, thanks again. I'm going for a ride tomorrow in a '91. Outrageous!!!
David S posted 10-17-2000 09:10 PM ET (US)
For David Reid
David, I appreciate your responses and the lead on the '94. To answer your question, the '91 with the 115 is listed as an 18', not a 17'. I'm going to shoot for the '85 with the 150. Even if the motor is a throw away after a year or so, I think that the $7 to 8k is not bad just for the hull
Peter posted 10-17-2000 09:35 PM ET (US)
David S
I remember your inquiry. I have an 1987 18 Outrage w/ 1987 Johnson 150 and a 1990 Cox trailer. All is in good condition. I am considering selling this in the spring since I just recently acquired a 22 Revenge. If the 1985 hull you are looking at is not in good shape, maybe you'll want to look at mine. I can send pictures.

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Author	Topic: '85 vs '91Outrage
David S	posted 10-15-2000 11:10 AM ET (US) Friends, Several weeks ago many of you were kind enough to pass on to me some well stated advise on the merits of an older 17'-18' Outrage vs the newer incarnations. I'm convinced. So if might impose once again. I have my eye on an '85 with a 115 Yamaha that will likely go in the $7000 to $8000 range. He says that a recent compression test was good. There is also a '91 with a 150(?) Yamaha that was recently rebuilt advertised for $12000. Bothtese boats are quite some distance away and so I would likely pay for a survey. Could you kindly illuminate any particular strengths or weakness between these two incarnations. If they were both in good shape for their age, is the additional $ for the newer boat worth it. It seems to me that even if I had to rebuild the older Yamaha, I still come out ahead. Which would you buy and why. Any particular things to look for and questions to ask the owners would be welcome. Again, thank you very kindly for your replies. David S
David S	posted 10-15-2000 11:18 AM ET (US) CORRECTION: Sorry for the confusion gents, but the '85 has the 150 and the '91 has the 115. David S
jimh	posted 10-15-2000 06:56 PM ET (US) Hi David, If you haven't already, you'll want to read these: http://continuouswave.com/whaler/rendezvous/dayOne.html and http://continuouswave.com/whaler/rendezvous/dayTwo.html I describe the two different styles of Outrages, both at the end of the daily narratives. Note that the '91 weighs more and in the two boats you mention has less HP on the transom. I think the hull forms are identical, it is just the interiors that changed, along with the weight. Both are great boats! --jimh
maverick	posted 10-15-2000 07:21 PM ET (US) You wrote: "I have my eye on an '85 with a [150] Yamaha that will likely go in the $7000 to $8000 range. He says that a recent compression test was good." WOW! $7-8k for an 85 Outrage? What a GREAT price IF the hull is good. Consider this - IF you sell off the old motor for $1000, you'll have about $7k invested. IF you repower with ALL NEW, that's about another $8500. That means for about $15k you'll have an awesome rig, that is as new. I can't tell you about the 1991 hull you mentioned, I've never run one - mine's an 85 18.6 hull with fairly new 150 J. Bear in mind that I've got about $18k in mine! I'm not complaining, but your possibility is much better than mine! Better jump on that! One other thing - mine had "old salty power" on it when I bought, and I was GLAD to get NEW, RELIABLE power on it. Pay the man. The hull is already a winner. ".......likely pay for a survey." I'd make SURE the hull has NEVER BEEN HIT and patched, as the low price makes me wrinkle my forehead a bit in question. I don't like bottom paint UNLESS I know what's under it - I'd be careful if it has bottom paint and be sure. "....if I had to rebuild the older Yamaha, I still come out ahead...." A rebuild is never as good as a factory fresh motor. My brother has gone through several rebuilds, same engine, different engines. You get what you pay for. Be careful, take your time, keep asking questions. You're on the right track. Chuck in South Carolina, aka Maverick
jimh	posted 10-16-2000 11:28 PM ET (US) Oops! I am in error. I was thinking the '91 was an Outrage-II model, but it is probably an Outrage (Classic) which means it should be the same weight as the '85. The price range you mention is very good. If I recall, a mid-80's Outrage-18 sold this summer in an instant for $15-16,000 in the Great Lakes area. --jimh
David Reid	posted 10-17-2000 12:44 PM ET (US) David S, just read through this string and wonder if the rig with 115 power is the smaller 17'3" hull that is rated for up to 120h.p.? The 150 would correspond with max rated power for the 18'6" hull. I am familiar with both, with these power configurations and can say either way, you'll get a smooth, dry ride topping out in the 45mph range depending on prop, gear and only you on the boat... both are super rigs that you'll be happy with. But the larger hull feels like a LOT more boat: 15" more length, 6" more beam and only 230 more lbs. of weight. Having a repowered 1986 18'6", I'm partial of course. The $7,000 price for a 17'3" hull is a steal unless she's been severely damaged. Echo Maverick's comments. The $12,000 is about average, probably a fair price for what you describe if the hull is in good shape. The teak-covered 18's clean up real pretty. I don't think the 17's came with teak gunwales... that's a plus to some folks.
David Reid	posted 10-17-2000 01:06 PM ET (US) Just found another data point for you on the [New Orleans] Times-Picayune Classifieds on-line. There's a 1994 18'6" Outrage 19 for sale with 150 h.p. and trailer and some extras asking $18,500. That will likely be the newer, 600 lb. heavier version brimming with cute 'lil cubby-holes, molded-in live well, aft corner seats and all (some folks actually like the creature comforts), but still a super rig.
David S	posted 10-17-2000 08:49 PM ET (US) Gentlemen, thanks again. I'm going for a ride tomorrow in a '91. Outrageous!!!
David S	posted 10-17-2000 09:10 PM ET (US) For David Reid David, I appreciate your responses and the lead on the '94. To answer your question, the '91 with the 115 is listed as an 18', not a 17'. I'm going to shoot for the '85 with the 150. Even if the motor is a throw away after a year or so, I think that the $7 to 8k is not bad just for the hull
Peter	posted 10-17-2000 09:35 PM ET (US) David S I remember your inquiry. I have an 1987 18 Outrage w/ 1987 Johnson 150 and a 1990 Cox trailer. All is in good condition. I am considering selling this in the spring since I just recently acquired a 22 Revenge. If the 1985 hull you are looking at is not in good shape, maybe you'll want to look at mine. I can send pictures.