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kevin posted 10-31-2000 11:03 PM ET (US)   Profile for kevin   Send Email to kevin  
hi. my name is kevin and i'm here because i'm a whalerholic...

actually i'm thrilled with my new 30 year old boat. its gorgeous, solid, and full of character. in the car world character is usually a euphomism for unreliable, but here i use the word affectionately to mean oddly beautiful. the ribbed outer hull, low rub rail, banana twist in the front, ...

currently the boat has a '97 yamaha 150. if the motor is as fresh as advertized then i got a great deal. if the motor is worn and neglected then i'm still ok but barely and only because i absolutely love the boat. i'm betting i got a good motor but time will tell.

the boat is in better than typical whaler shape for a boat its age. its been repainted once on the topsides. in one place i can see the original desert tan color underneath the newer bright white. i personally like the white but if/when i repaint i will probably go back to tan for sake of originality.

she now sits in my driveway begging for attention. its getting cold here in MAssachusetts. i'd like to take her out one more time before putting her up but i have to fix my trailer first (another story).

as a minimum i'm going to take the boat to a friend/prof yamaha mechanic for a full physical checkup. i've already gotten good advice from bigz on what to have done (compression test, lower unit pressure test, decarbon, full water pump replacement, etc).

i promised myself i would use this boat for a season before restoring. i have a tendency to go crazy so if i start taking it apart now it won't get put back together for a few years. so at first i'm gonna just concentrate on making the boat functional, which means fuel system, electronics, lights, etc. then maybe in a year i'll be asking about paint codes, sources for decals and stainless, etc.

i'll try to comb thru the archives rather than ask too many redundant questions.

kevin posted 10-31-2000 11:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for kevin  Send Email to kevin     
my first question is about fuel tanks.

my outrage has the pair of saddletanks and no builtin. total capacity is i believe 38 gallons. there are times i will want more capacity.

i just bought this boat and don't yet know how it is setup. there is a fuel switch with two positions labeled "port" and "starboard". this implies that i can selectively draw fuel from either tank. there is also a single fuel gauge (the yamaha master) which is apparently unconnected since it flashed empty the whole testride.

anyways, i'd like to add two more portable tanks. that would give me 4. but i'd like only 2 tanks to manage, "main" and "aux". so i'd like "main" to be the pair of saddle tanks. this means the saddle tanks are siphoned together such that the fuel level remains identical even as fuel is drawn from a single tank from the engine. is this common? practical? the way my whaler is already setup and i don't know it? the saddles already have separate fillers so the siphon wouldnt have to keep up with the gas station pump.

in general how do people manage lots of tanks. my strong preference is not to ever have to pull a hose out on the water since too many times i've had one not go back on. i bet i'm not the only one who has ever limped home holding the hose line on. 8^)

thots and ideas and experiences appreciated!

goldstem posted 11-01-2000 08:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for goldstem  Send Email to goldstem     
Kevin, I have a '72 with the saddle tanks as well. BTW I put a racor fuel filter in it and have been happy ever since. I carry a 6 gallon portable tank for emergencies. I don't tend to run so far as to make the 38 gallon capacity a problem (I run an OLD evenrude 140). When I replace that motor I'll probably get a 115-130hp four stroke and never worry about fuel range again!!


dfmcintyre posted 11-01-2000 12:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Kevin -

Congrats on the new(old) purchase.

You'll find that she can ride a bit rough in heavy sea, but can scoot on the flat, and is very stable at rest, when walking around the boat.

My 21' has the reversable bench seating. There are various tanking options that will fit under the seat. 2- 12's or 1 -24 or 27 gal (might have to shim the bench seat up) will work.

With the 200hp Yamaha, if I go into low cruise about 20 - 25kts, I'll get about 3 mpg. You should do a little better.

Best - Don

triblet posted 11-02-2000 01:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
If you are worried about the fuel tank quick
disconnect, why not just carry a spare and
tools? That way you can take the extra
tanks out for short trips and have more room.

Chuck Tribolet

kevin posted 11-02-2000 04:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for kevin  Send Email to kevin     
the spare line and tools is a good idea.

i've looked and it appears my boat has each saddle tank connected to a fuel switch. i can select either the port or starboard tank but not both. i found a long wooden dowel next to the tank which i'm pretty sure served as the "fuel guage". there is also a portable tank which requires pulling the main hose off the motor and connecting the hose from the portable direct.

my questions are:

1. was there any provision for fuel guages with these saddle tanks?

2. do people prefer to manage these two tanks separately (like mine appears to be now) or run them in parallel and why?

i hope i'm generating half interesting questions. inquiring minds gotta know. 8^)


goldstem posted 11-03-2000 08:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for goldstem  Send Email to goldstem     
I also have a stick for my fuel gauge. As my motor still uses pre-mix I marked it into 6 gallon increments so that I know how much oil to add. I also sometime rap the tanks with my knuckles to get a rough estimate of how empty they are.
Each tank has its own shutoff valve connected to the fuel filter. I usually leave them both open, but the draw is uneven, so sometimes I shutdown one tank to force the otherone down so the fuel doesn't get too stale on that side.
dfmcintyre posted 11-04-2000 05:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Kevin -

If a choice between dash mounted panel gages (or one gage with a port/starboard switch for that matter) or a dip stick is concerning you, I'd stick with the stick (I couldn't resist...). Much simpler and in the long run, more accurate.


kevin posted 11-06-2000 09:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for kevin  Send Email to kevin     
yeah, it sounds like simpler is better.
in fact, now that i think about it, its the fact that i didnt trust my fuel guage on my last boat that caused me the most distress.


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