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One More Classic Bites The Dust!
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posted 12-23-2000 11:09 PM ET (US)
Has anyone noticed on the Whaler website under the 2001 Products section that Whaler is down to one Classic Whaler in production. They actually have it as 2 left, but I don`t consider the new 13-Sport a true Classic--not even close. The bottom line: they have gotten rid of the 17-Standard. It started as the Currituck, then it became the Sport, then the GLS, then finally the Standard. I own a '73 Currituck and love it. I can't see why they would take this model of sorts away? Brunswick/Sea Ray is really sweeping the Classic Whaler everything under the rug! The Montauk is the last true Recreational Whaler left. Please comment on this one! Regards-Jack Graner.
posted 12-23-2000 11:42 PM ET (US)
I am sure glad I bought my Montauk when I did, who knows how much longer they will be around.
It's all based on sales, but as long as the classic 13, 15 & 17 hulls have survived they should still be a good product if promoted. It looks like they are going after a different market. Smoother ride & less stability. I've run most of the new models and I wouldn't own one of them.
Who do we blame Brunswick or Sea Ray?
posted 12-24-2000 12:14 AM ET (US)
Well, being that Whaler has made one of the best quality boats on the market, there will always be plenty of used Whalers around. I guess the problem is trying to get a Whaler owner to part with his boat. It almost seems that we gotta be near death before we will part with our Whaler. Then, the next guy holds onto it for another 30 years before he gets into the same predicament and is ready to sell...
posted 12-24-2000 06:28 AM ET (US)
What do you mean the 13 isn't considered classic? If it wasn't for the 13 there wouldnt be a 17 to talk about.It was the first boat Boston Whaler came out with but its not considered a classic? Then again the new 13's dount really look like older models. Perhaps this is what you mean.Oh well,im just standing up for my Classic 13' Whaler(it has a hard time typing).
Easy E~~~Whalin 4 Life~~~
posted 12-24-2000 07:11 AM ET (US)
I think Whalernut is referring to BW's description of the New 13 Sport as a classic in its marketing materials. Since it is a very new product, how can it be a classic?
posted 12-24-2000 07:30 AM ET (US)
Easy E, Jack is referring to the NEW 13 which has a redesigned hull. This 13 was more or less developed by the employees at Boston Whaler when they were asked to come up with suggested improvements for the venerable CLASSIC 13 -- and then the designers to see what could be done.
This whole discussion has been done before with LHG/JimH leading it off when the 2001 product line was shown a couple of months ago.
Moaning and crying about what was ain't going to do much good! At least, regardless of your bent, there is still a Boston Whaler company which produces a fine line of boats that have been selling for the most part very well.
It is starting to appear that 2001 is going to start some rough times in the boating industry again, with consumer confidence low and the fuel cost situation continuing to rise. Hopefully BW will be able to weather this with out drastic cuts in employment or worse yet a further consolidation and merger into Sea Ray. Speculation on my part but the hand writing seems to be appearing on the "wall" more and more this winter ---
posted 12-24-2000 08:53 AM ET (US)
Bigz and all, very good points all around. It seems Whalers are marketed to a different crowd now. I was refering to the new `13 Sport when saying it isn`t a Classic, the old `13 is at the top of the Classics. It doesn`t seem that far fetched that Boston Whaler could go the way of OMC. Let`s hope not. My best Christmas gift ever would be that Whaler is sold to Classic minded investers and designers! I guess I`m probably just dreaming, but will always keep the dream alive! I am just very grateful that there are a few owners out their that are willing to sell their older but in my mind better Classics. Everyone have a great Hoilidays and as always Regards-Jack Graner.
posted 12-24-2000 09:36 AM ET (US)
I'm somewhat new to this site, and didn't want to be the one to propose such a far out idea, so I glad you did. Ideally if a group of investors could purchase just the commercial boats division, and continue manufacturing the classics and let Brunswick steer the recreational Whaler line the way of Sea Ray (mass produced boats that apeal to all types of people, in all price ranges). If you look at the commercial boats line, five of the seven boats are based on old hull designs. I realize this is prbably not going to happen, but we can dream, right.
posted 12-24-2000 11:38 AM ET (US)
It may not be that farfetched as we think, I may not have the money, but some Classic finatic is out there with alot of money looking to invest it in something they have alot of passion for. My guss is Brunswick will hold on to the Commercial division and just faze out the old hull molds and faze in the newer designs to make their Commercial line of hulls with the new hull designs. But the old hull mold if any life left to them will either be scrapped or maybee sold, but the rights would have to be sold with them and the name changed, that would be very expensive for a new invester I imagine? And to boot, I don`t think Brunswick would put themselves through the headache of competeing for sales with these New/Old hull designs, regardless of the name new investers would put on the side. I thought of a great name if this would ever happen-"CLASSIC". The dealers could promote these new boats as "The new "CLASSICS" return" and the dealers could say they are a "CLASSIC" dealer or an exclusive "CLASSIC" Boat Works dealer! Whew, wake up Jack! Regards-Jack Graner.
posted 12-24-2000 12:15 PM ET (US)
Lets really go old school, lets call them Fisher Sea Sleds , and limit production to a 13, 17, and 20, and all the boats will have blue interiors, ahh, I can see it now.....
posted 12-24-2000 01:06 PM ET (US)
Dan another great idea, I imagine they would have to deal with Richard Fishers decendants to use his name, this would cost investers some real dough, then also the Sea Sled design was designed before Richard Fisher, but I believe upgraded by Mr. Fisher. I could see it now Richard Fisher, Ray Hunt, and Bob Dougherty side by side at the "Classic Sea Sled Boat Works" designing room! Blue interiors would be awsome! How about White hull/ Blue interior and an all Dessert Tan hull/interior. Even better you`re choice of Mahogany interior, or a combo Mahogany/Fiberglass interior, or an all Fiberglass interior. Have we all gone mad, I tell you! Regards-Jack Graner. P.S. Sea Sled hull design, or a Smirk hull-You`re choice! Even more Maddining!
posted 12-25-2000 01:10 AM ET (US)
Thats a real whalernut for you. You people are crazy!
posted 12-25-2000 08:06 AM ET (US)
Crazy or just Passionate, probably a little of both and then some! But that is how much some of us yearn for and love the Whalers of Richard Fisher, Raymand Hunt, and Bob Dougherty. Not everyone is happy with what has happened to our beloved Boston Whaler, so we can only dream and hope something changes, if you own a new Whaler you probably love it as much as some of us do with the older ones. I really do feel in my heart someone will revive the older style of Whalers someday, I also believe it will probably be the Bob Daugherty era hulls, I love those to, along with the first generation hulls. Edgewater boats tried it, but forgot about the quality, thats ashame because they were heading in the right direction. `ZZZZZZZZZZZZ` Regards-Jack Graner.
posted 12-25-2000 09:30 AM ET (US)
The product line at Boston Whaler seems to be selling. My local dealer sold out of 2000-year boats.
"Classic" or not, they are selling every boat they make.
posted 12-25-2000 09:53 AM ET (US)
Jim, I agree they definately are selling them. The new models seem to appeal to a more variety of people. So I can`t see Whaler changing what they are doing, so I and others are going to have to wait for another boat company to revive the old Whaler look. It doesn`t seem that Edgewater boats have hit the mark well enough. Regards-Jack Graner.
posted 12-25-2000 12:51 PM ET (US)
Do you think that first time buyers of new Whalers are purchasing a boat or just a name. If brunswick put a Whaler decal on a Sea-Ray or a Baja, I think some (not all) people would buy it just for the name. I don't meen to be too negative about the way things have gone with Whaler, and I'm sure it has been talked to death long before I had the pleasure of finding this site, but I agree that eventually someone will do the right thing. Merry Christmas, don't eat too much, you know you still have to crawl under the boat to paint the bottom in a few months!
posted 12-25-2000 01:41 PM ET (US)
Sorry to say Jack, could be that your wait will be in vein --- simple reason economics!
Sort of like all the car replica companies that have spawned over the years with the idea of reproducing the old popular models, there are very few who are still in business and those for the most part are one off shops --- they found that the amount of folks they thought existed to purchase them based on the popularity shown through collectors and car clubs would be strong--- wrong --! Just like the illusion that there are thousands of potential customers just waiting for Boston Whaler to reintroduce their long out of production models there ain't or it would have been done --- if people were willing to buy at the price BW would have to sell them they would have continued making them if they were able to make a decent profit. This great forum generates to a degree that illusion but when you analysis it really we are just a handful so to speak to the overall Whaler boating market ---
Times change and today's customers want more for their $$$ than basically Spartan well built boats unsinkable or not. To produce boats like say the 27's today like they did for the recreational market up until the mid-90's would make the Conquest line look like a bargain, this probably can be said for the others too.
As I stated the changes made to the 13 were actually the employees themselves who recommended them and my guess the Montauk is going to go the same way in the near future.
Yes "hardensheetmetal" this topic actually has been beaten to DEATH --- and I have said and still will say Boston Whalers today are some of the finest if not the best made boats in their Class --- and as JimH mentioned they are selling like hot cakes --- Brunswick didn't allow 100's of thousands this past year to be spent on BW's plant expansion and upgrades just for the hell of it!
So whether one owns a "true" classic, or a "quasi" classic that is all deep V hull models (that's just my opinion so don't start a ruckus ain't going to change my mind) or one of the new Accu-tracks they all own well built and thought out top quality boats and in plain reality that is what Boston Whaler has always stood for and thankfully still do and will continue to do --- Hope you all are having a Merry and Joyous Christmas Day --- Tom
posted 12-25-2000 05:44 PM ET (US)
Tom, I agree you`re analysis is probably right on the money, unfortunalely for me and some others. What is the right thing for Boston Whaler to me is one thing and to Boston Whaler it seems to be another. And to discontinue the Montauk would be the final straw that brakes the camel`s back to me, that will be the death of Boston Whaler as we knew them, as far as Recreational hulls go. So be it then, thank God for used "Classics". Regardless-Jack Graner.
posted 12-25-2000 07:01 PM ET (US)
Let's look at the bright side.
I spent the last 5 years as parts manager for a large Boston Whaler & Sea Ray dealer. The one boat we were allways sold out of was the Montauk and this is in the wet and cool Northwest. I don't think it will go away.
If it does and we want a new boat the new ones may not be classics but they are good boats. I have run all of the new hulls up through the 34DF (awsome boat). Like someone else said there will allways be used classics available.
posted 12-25-2000 08:05 PM ET (US)
Dick, for $400K plus the 34DF should be an awesome boat. For my money, I'd buy a new Hunt 33, have it rigged for sport fishing and still save $100K, that's enough to maintain, fuel and dock it for life. Don
posted 12-25-2000 09:50 PM ET (US)
I also agree with your economic view of Whalers decision making process. I'm sure the Brunswick boar of directors couldn't care less whether we like the smirk or the accu-track. A stagnant company is a dead one, I would rather have my favorite company making well-built, high-priced, boats that I probably will never purchase new from a dealer, than nothing at all. I can't imagine showing up at the Norwalk, CT boat show and not being able to drool over boats that if nothing else, make me proud of the 12 year old Revgenge back home.
posted 12-25-2000 09:51 PM ET (US)
Don, I have seen those Hunts, they are awsome looking boats, very traditional styling, if the quality matches the looks, I would love one. I also love the Penn Yan, very traditional. Regards-Jack Graner.
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