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MikeC posted 12-29-2000 06:12 PM ET (US)   Profile for MikeC   Send Email to MikeC  
I am looking for some pictures of the interior of a 20 Revenge.I just picked up a 1981 20 Revenge for next to nothing and the cuddy is open with no door to it.Do all the 20 Revenge models have the open cuddy or is this only on the older models.

Thanks
Mike C

Peter posted 12-29-2000 08:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
I think the cabin door may be missing. The interior of the Revenge 20 should be substantially the same as a Revenge 22 as I believe that it was Whaler's normal practice to connect the same cabin overlay to the basic 20, 22 and 25 Vee hulls. So if you look at the inside of a 22 Revenge of the same era, it should look the same as your 20. I'm pretty certain that the 22 Revenge in 1981 had a folding louvered cabin door made from teak like the one in my '86 22 Revenge W.T. One of these days I'll get under my winter cover and take a picture and e-mail it to you unless some one else can provide you with a picture more conveniently. JimH may have one amongst the many that he has probably received for posting in Cetecea.
MikeC posted 12-30-2000 08:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for MikeC  Send Email to MikeC     
This 20 Revenge I picked up has no door or anything that blocks the cuddy from the cockpit.You can crawl under thr steering wheel to get in cuddy or go in through the passenger side.The 22 that I saw had a closed cuddy with a nice teak door.I have an opening as wide as the boat and as tall as the dash.I wonder if there is something missing or if it came like this.

Thanks for the help
Mike C

Peter posted 12-30-2000 11:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Sounds like either somebody modified the cuddy or this is a model that I'm not aware of. The typical revenge had a bulk head in front of the passenger seat and one with a storage locker in front of the pilot seat. Access to the cuddy is through a door between the two. I assume that the pictures you are looking at are similar to what I described.
dfmcintyre posted 12-30-2000 11:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Mike -

Is this the early Revenge hull? If so, it may or may not have the door. I've seen pictures of them both ways. The head room, is ah... limited, to say the least.

Best - Don

MikeC posted 12-30-2000 12:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for MikeC  Send Email to MikeC     
Yes the headromm is very limited but the price was really really cheap.It looks like it will be a fun boat until I get the money for a 22.It sure has a lot of deck space for a 20ft boat.

Thanks
Mike C

bigz posted 12-30-2000 12:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Mike and Don, it appears Mike you have a Revenge 19 old style and it may or may not be an '81 not sure on that because your title or registration may be the date it was sold not made. You can check your Hull ID number with Whaler and they will tell you when she was made and sometimes who it was sold to from the factory. They made only a 19 and 21 Revenge slab side no 20.

So in my post Mike on canvas that was for the new style deep V --- you just have to call Mills for a price for your boat ---

Regards Tom

jimh posted 12-30-2000 12:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
There are two "Revenge" models.

Earlier Revenges were called "21's" and had a very low-headroom cuddy. These were made c.1975 - c.1980.

Later Revenges were either 20, 22, or 25 foot models. They are quite different and have much more headroom than the earlier models. The cabin is almost identical on all three models. I suspect that the cabin overlay molded components were made from the same molds.

The cabin has a full bulkhead and a teak door. A sliding plexiglas hatch cover completes the companionway entry to the cabin.

I assume you have already searched the PhotoLog in the CETACEA section and inspected the 14 photographs of Revenges to see if any of them show the detail you are looking for. The bulhead and the teak doors are visible in a few of the shots.

--jimh

Clark Roberts posted 12-30-2000 01:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
Revenges from 1972-79 were the 19 (19'4" LOA) and the 21 (21'4" LOA).. happy new year from Spruce Creek Navy.. Clark
MikeC posted 12-30-2000 01:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for MikeC  Send Email to MikeC     
The hull says Revenge 20 on the side and is the newer style hull not like the old 19.I crawled in there today and there is no place that there was ever a bulkhead or door.It looks just like the 20 footer in the pictures with the two Yamaha 70's on it.The title says 20 Revenge length 20ft 1981
bigz posted 12-30-2000 02:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Then Mike you have a strange one on your hands or the bulk head was removed completely at some point. As JimH points out the new style deep V hull Revenges have just about all the same cuddy layout.

Clark points out the older styles made, thought the 19 didn't have a cuddy just an open area under the bow deck.

The best and easiest way to determine your boat is ask Whaler customer service come this Tuesday they just need your Hull ID number --- great folks and very helpful as I mentioned before ---

Then disregard my Mills canvas note in the previous post --- the post made in Market Place with the approx. cost would be about right for your 20 Revenge. (members of the forum gave JimH a full set in appreciation of his fine work bring us this site and I did the purchasing from Mills thus the reason I have an idea of the price range)

The very best of luck with her, know you'll have lots of fun.

Tom

MikeC posted 12-30-2000 02:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for MikeC  Send Email to MikeC     
Hmmmmm That is strange,I will have to give Whaler a call and see what the deal is.I will also take some pictures and send them in so others can see this thing.

Thanks

MikeC posted 12-30-2000 04:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for MikeC  Send Email to MikeC     
I looked over my boat a little closer today I think it is just missing the door and the side panels.Anybody know where I could get this stuff?Are the 22 doors the same as the 20?

Thanks
Mike C

Peter posted 12-30-2000 10:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
My guess would be that the 20 and 22 doors are probably the same. I think that Whaler used the same cabin overlay for the 20, 22 and 25 Revenges. Where are the side panels? If this is a 1981 hull with the bulkhead removed, I'm puzzled about how the middle of the cabin is supported on the hull.
MikeC posted 12-31-2000 11:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for MikeC  Send Email to MikeC     
If anybody has one of these boats I would be willing to pay for a role of film and developing to take some pic's of this part so I could figure out exactly whats missing.

Thanks
Mike C

Peter posted 12-31-2000 05:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
MikeC

Does your Revenge look like JimH's 20 Revenge?

See http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage20.html

MikeC posted 12-31-2000 07:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for MikeC  Send Email to MikeC     
Yes,That is the same boat I have.Somebody took the door and panels off for some reason.I cant complain because I only have about 1500.00 into this boat motor and trailer.I am going to fix it up and put a full canvas set on it and drive it for the summer till I can buy a nice 22.
whalernut posted 12-31-2000 09:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
$1500, Holy Cow, thats the steal of the century. Please explain the situation in which you purchased the Whaler for such an awsome price! If you find anymore like this, please write me first! Regards-Jack Graner.
MikeC posted 12-31-2000 10:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for MikeC  Send Email to MikeC     
I was in the right place at the right time
dougs posted 01-02-2001 09:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for dougs  Send Email to dougs     
I have seen Revenge 20's in both configurations. You can spot the difference by looking for portlights on the sides. If it has them it will have essentially the same superstructure as the Revenge 22 & 25. The deck molding forward is depressed to provide a small footwell and the superstructure is substantially higher, hence the additional room. In the earlier version (and it is a 20 not a 19) the deck continues on the same plane and there is no vestige of a bulkhead or door. This model offers substantially more usable deck area. In either case, they are great boats and this one sounds like a great start. I hope you enjoy it.

Doug Sowles
Portland, Oregon

MikeC posted 01-02-2001 09:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for MikeC  Send Email to MikeC     
Are you saying they came both ways in 81?with and without doors?It has some poles mounted under the dash to hold the dash up and it looks like it came that way from the factory.I was thinking of haveing a canvas guy enclose the cuddy with a zip out door that matches the new blue canvas top that I am buying and it will match the nice blue bunk pads.
MikeC posted 01-03-2001 06:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for MikeC  Send Email to MikeC     
You are right about the the small wondows on the side,My boat does not have them and there really is a lot of deck space for a 20ft boat.
Bullbay posted 01-03-2001 09:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bullbay  Send Email to Bullbay     
I took some pictures of a 1980 22 Revenge at Wachesaw last week. This version had a vertical non hydralic steering with teak doors, and bulkhead as in later Revenges but it had a folding Teak cover rather than the sliding plexiglass cover. It also had some nice foot rests on both sides with teak trim that appeared to be OEM.

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