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Paolo posted 01-11-2001 12:19 PM ET (US)   Profile for Paolo   Send Email to Paolo  
I own a 18' outrage and I am going to buy a bigger boat.
I use my boat mostly for saltwater trolling (downrigger, live baits, less than 1 knot...) or for diving therefore I am interested in mounting a single outboard (225Hp Optimax or similar) and a second trolling motor (15Hp 4 strokes).
Is there anyone who can confirm that the 25 outrage can work properly also with a single 225?
Is there a big difference in the performance between 22 and 25 with such kind of power?
OutrageMan posted 01-11-2001 01:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for OutrageMan  Send Email to OutrageMan     
I have a 22' Outrage with whaler drive and a Yamaha 250. I get in the high 50's when I am the only one on board.

I think the 225 may be a little light on power for the 25, but that is just my opinion.

As far as the kicker goes, a had a Yamaha 9.9 4 stroke on mine, and it pushed it just fine.

lhg posted 01-21-2001 11:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Although most Outrage 25's were designed for twin 150's, a new 225 such as the Merc Optimax or EFI should give you about 45-48mph.
These are very strong engines.

It's always nice to hear from someone from Europe. Good luck with your efforts to find a larger Whaler.

Louie Kokinis posted 01-22-2001 05:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Louie Kokinis    
Paolo, the 225 is plenty for the 22 footer. IMO the boat performs and handles better without the extra weight of the twins on the transom.

Having said that, I think a single 225 on a 25 will probably frustrate you. The 225 will probably get the boat on plane (with the right prop) but it probably wouldnt perform like a 25 whaler should :(

What about a single 300?


Louie

Larry, do they even make single long enough for the 25's transom?

lhg posted 01-22-2001 07:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Louie: Glad to see you're still out there lurking around!

Surprisingly enough, the 25 Outrage, having been designed for 1981 year introduction, has the same 25" transom (for single engine) found on your 22 and also the 18's and 20's.
In twin form, it takes 20" shaft length, which has now become a problem in repowering, unless jack plates are used.
I don't think any manufacturer makes standard order CR engines in less than the 25" length at the 150HP or higher HP level. I know Merc doesn't. Whaler drive in 1987 nicely solved this problem, reguiring twin 25" CR engines on 20-25' models.

Most manufacturers also are now making 30" shaft engines, 200HP and up, for either single or twin installation. I have seen many twin 30" CR setups. This gets the engines up high and dry on the larger boats.
If I ever end up owning a Whaler 27, I would definitely power it with twin 30" engines.

For many years now, the CPD offered a "30 inch transom option" on the 22's & 25's, for installation of twin 25" CR's on a notched transom model. This had to be built up after coming out of the mold, similar to the full transom models, and cost about $1000 extra. This was a very nice addition to the boat, even if a 30" single is being used.

I have been in a 25 notched transom model powered with a single Evinrude 250HP V8 (remember those beasts?) and it seemed to do quite well. When Mercury introduced the 225, they advertized that it would keep up with the V8, so I would think it would run OK on the hull. But since you have one, you should know! I've got to say though, I don't like the looks of a single on the 25.

JimG posted 01-22-2001 08:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for JimG  Send Email to JimG     

Larry

Change that one sentence to "When I own my 27, I will definitely power it with twin 30"
engins.

Jim

lhg posted 01-22-2001 10:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Yes, Jim, getting an increasingly larger Classic Whaler can get to be a sickness! At least we're all limited out at 27'.
TRIDENT posted 01-25-2001 11:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for TRIDENT  Send Email to TRIDENT     
Isn't there a 31' Whaler (classic - not searay)?
LarrySherman posted 01-26-2001 07:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for LarrySherman  Send Email to LarrySherman     
The 25 i just bought has a Johnson 235 with an new powerhead and rebuilt lower unit. The head mechanic at the marina that did the work says it should run strong, but you never know until you get out there.

I am trying to figure out the best way to repower, and really would like to do twin fourstrokes, but I fear the weight would be a problem.

I also am not really conversant with the pros and cons of a single 250 vs. twin 125's, etc. Of course there is reliability, to be had with twins, but I would assume the increased weight, drag, fuel consumption, ans cost are the other side of the coin.

That being said, I do like the look of lhg's twin 150's!

Can anyone help me understand this further?

lhg posted 01-26-2001 09:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Larry: Regarding power for the 25, the issue of single vs twin power gets to be a personal one, and you will have to make decision based on what you want to spend. Your single engine boat will require some transom repair, and engine contol replacement if you go to twins. Personally, I think the boat calls for twins, but many here would disagree.

Regarding twin 4 stroke HP, you're pretty much limited to Honda's 130's as the maximum size, but I really don't care for the beasts! I'm sure they are beautiful running engines, but I think they are simply too large, awkward and heavy, being converted Acura engines. If you can live with 40mph, you should look at the new Mercury or Yamaha fuel injected 115's. I'll bet a pair of these on the 25 Outrage would be nice, at about $7100 each, but without counter rotation (Not available). These are very slick engines, also useable as a single on a 17 or 18 Outrage, and perfect as twins on a 20 or 22 Outrage/Revenge. They weigh 386# each.

For more speed, move up to the Merc 135 or 150 Optimax, or the new Yamaha 150 HPDI. Either of these is MUCH smaller than the Honda 130's, and more than 100#'s lighter, and Merc advertizes the 135's will walk away from the Hondas. I'd go for the 150's, and get about 50mph. These are identical in size and appearance, even the same block, as the 200's you like on my boat. The boat will easily handle the 200's, incidentally.

little bob posted 02-02-2001 05:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for little bob  Send Email to little bob     
Had two 25 whalers. 1983 center console cuddy with a single 200 yamaha. WOT was 34 kts. The Whaler was underpowered but I pushed it hard and with 140 gallon tank had great range.
Currently have a 1987 25 Revenge Walkaround Hardtop with 1/2 Tower. Powered with twin 140 Johnsons. Top speed was 41 Kts. Just put on a single 200 Suzuki (6 year warranty), 9.9 Kicker. WOT 33 kts. I run the boat at 4700 RPM 26kts loaded! It wants more power. It obviously could handle twin 200 hps but with 140 gallon gas tank no range. I suffer the top speed, for getting me everywhere I want to go and back for a few bucks. If money was no object, I would power it with the largest twin engines made!!!!!! I love speed.
lhg posted 02-06-2001 06:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
With twin 200 Merc EFI's on my 25, I get about 1 3/4 mile/gallon running about 30mph & 3000rpm. This gives me a maximum range of about 250 miles, but only under ideal conditions.

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