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Dick posted 01-12-2001 07:26 PM ET (US)   Profile for Dick   Send Email to Dick  
Just got back from the Seattle boat show. Overall very impressive.
The Whaler/Sea Ray dealer was displaying most of the Sea Ray line up through the 56' which overshadowed his Whaler display, 13 Sport, 16DA, 18DA, 18VT, 21OR & 26CQ. No Montauk! If you don't show it there won't be a market for it, if there is no market for it you won't sell any. Is that logic?
Strangest thing though, in the 40 years I have been going to boat shows this is the first one where there was not one Johnson or Evirude on display.
Just had to ramble on a bit.
Dick
lhg posted 01-12-2001 08:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
The dealer people I was talking to in FL think the boat show issue is the biggest immediate problem OMC and it's Dealers have right now. They're missing all of the winter shows, including Miami, the biggest of all. And with no presence at these shows, they're pushing back the time of a recovery even if they get started again. Looks really bad to the buying public, most of whom are not as informed as the people on this site. Even if a Dealer has some models in stock, it would be suicide to display them and bring up all the questions from visitors as to what's going on, who's standing behind them, etc.
Mercury and the 4 big Japanese manufacturers stand to benefit big time from this OMC nightmare.

Regarding the Montauk, I hope I'm wrong, but things don't look good for this lone survivor of the original Boston Whalers. They completely avoided it's 40th birtday. Bad sign. I'll bet a replacement is in the works, along the lines of the 13 Sport. Hopefully, it wont' have a Euro transom!

Dick posted 01-12-2001 08:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
ihg
I hope you are wrong but I have the same feeling.
whalernut posted 01-12-2001 08:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
Is anyone suprised that the Montauk is ignored by the same company that calls the new `13 Sport a Classic already? I`m not. I write Boston Whaler e-mails all the time declaring my disgust with them and they always e-mail the same stupid e-mail back that we will take you`re remarks into consideration and that with changeing times sometimes models and other factors change with them. What are they talking about they changed them not the times, people would still buy let`s say the eighties models if they still made them! Who are they kidding, it`s a joke down there. Regards-Jack Graner.
andygere posted 01-12-2001 10:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
Let's hope the Seattle dealer was sold out of Montauks as opposed to not wanting to display them at the show. I will be at the show in San Franscisco this weekend and will post a report. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't show one either since there were none in the showroom a few weeks ago.
Dick posted 01-12-2001 11:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
Sorry to say the Seattle dealer was not sold out of Montauks. I was parts manager there for 3 years. It's a great dealership but it's a Sea Ray delership, also a great boat. Boston Whaler needs to be carried by a dedicated dealer that believes that Boston Whaler is the best and is willing to cater to our dedication to the product.
Sorry to say , it looks like those days are over. It's all in turn over which relates to profit, which in the marine industry is slim.
A dealer that can sell 50 190 Sea Rays vs ? Montauks is going to put their $ in Sea Rays. More & More of the boat salespeople are coming over from the automotive industry. Nothing against their sales ability but they are not boaters.
Enough said for now.
Dick
Dan posted 01-14-2001 07:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dan  Send Email to Dan     
Surfside3 is the biggest SeaRay dealer in the Northeast, and is also a Whaler dealer. They were at the NYC boatshow this past week. I don't remember seeing Montauks at the show. However, I've seen them on the showroom floor and in the delivery area at Surfside3. From my observations Surfside doesn't try to steer people to SeaRay or Whaler -- they're so completely different I doubt one could be steered. Personally I think the SeaRays are finky and ugly with their carpets and all -- major ick. Just my two-cents. Cheers.
stagalv posted 01-14-2001 11:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for stagalv  Send Email to stagalv     
The Houston show had a new Montauk. It had a 100hp 4stroke Yamaha and I believe the asking price was $26k. Rex
Rodger posted 01-15-2001 12:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for Rodger  Send Email to Rodger     
Thanks for the great site.
FYI: Just went to the Portland, OR boat show and the Sea Ray dealer had a Montauk/Merc 90 on display.
alvispollard posted 01-15-2001 11:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for alvispollard  Send Email to alvispollard     
Just attended the Cincinnati Boat Show (Jan. 13). Very disappointing to see Sea Ray's huge display and only 3 Whalers. A 16' and 18' Dauntless and the $7995 13' Sport. No Montuaks or Outrages. Girl at display table was offended with my remark concerning lack of Whaler boats. Sign of things to come. I fear Whalers' future is almost as bleak as OMC's. Is the previous post right? $26k for a Montauk? If so, that is good for us '90 and older Montauk owners. Our boat value just jumped up!
dgp posted 01-15-2001 02:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for dgp  Send Email to dgp     
I'd bet that the Montauk at the Houston show was not a 2001 model. As my dealer explained to me you cannot get an engine delete on any of the 2001 models. Don
OutrageMan posted 01-15-2001 07:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for OutrageMan  Send Email to OutrageMan     
I was just at the boat show in Portland, OR. The Sea RayWhaler dealer mentioned from Seattle is alos the Sea Ray/Whaler dealer here. They just got the Whaler line here last year from a local dealer that was exclusive to Whaler. They DID have a Montauk on display, and had more Whalers than Sea Rays showing.

Also, you CAN get an engine delete from Whaler. Twin Cities Marine in Two Rivers WI will do it for you. They are one of 2 or 3 Whaler Master Dealers in the country and must have the pull to do this (as I have seen here it seems that other dealers can't get this job done). However, last year when I inquired about this I was told that the money savings in doing so was almost non existant - that they charged for an engineless boat nearly what it cost to have that big black thing on the back.

Dick posted 01-15-2001 09:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
OutrageMan
The Seattle and Portland dealers are related only to a small extent. They are operated as soly independant operations. Having been the parts manager for the Seattle, Redmond & Tacoma dealer I can assure you that what happens in Portland is not associated in any way with the western Washington dealer.
There are ways to get around the pre-rig, but dealers don't want to sell bare boats, they don't want to pull a Merc and install a whatever brand. Pre-rigs save the dealer time and money. You can't bring in a bare boat and rig it for the price you pay for pre-rigged.
Dick
Landlocked posted 01-15-2001 10:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Landlocked  Send Email to Landlocked     
I attended the Nashville boat show on Sunday. Not a whaler in sight. Not much of a market here though. biggest market is bass boats and jet skis.

I did note that engines were about evenly distributed between Johnson, Yamaha, and Merc. - with Johnson maby a little in the lead. - trying to get rid of them maby.

There were a few Honda's but not many. Must admit the little 5hp Honda really caught my eye as an auxillary motor for the Montauk. Anybody know anything about price? The dealer at the show was busy discussing how to catch more bass by buying a bigger motor with some dude in camo coveralls.

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