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JohnS posted 01-18-2001 02:29 PM ET (US)   Profile for JohnS   Send Email to JohnS  
Was at the show last night, was told the 'Boat Show Price' for a 17 Montauk is $23,000. I asked how much of that was for the engine (90 hp Merc two-stroke), and he said $7,900! You can get a 100 hp Yamaha 4-stroke for cheaper than that! He said I would have to order it from the factory if I didn't want the engine. So I asked him if they had any in stock, which of course they didn't. So wouldn't I have to order it anyway???? He did say that he didn't think the Montauk would be around much longer.
dgp posted 01-18-2001 03:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for dgp  Send Email to dgp     
John, did that price include a high quality trailer or any options? Price sounds kinda high! Sounds more like list or suggested retail price. Don
lhg posted 01-18-2001 05:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
For anybody who buys a "Boat Show Only Special Package Price" on a new boat, I've also got a bridge I'd like to sell them!

My advice to any would be new boat owner is to stay away from these "deals" and do your shopping on your own. I recently saw a 2001 Montauk/Merc 90 2 stroke package, without trailer, for about 19M. The engine by itself is about $5200, bought right.

Vincent posted 01-19-2001 12:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for Vincent  Send Email to Vincent     
I stopped into my local BW dealer today and picked up two “package deal” price lists. One sheet was for a 2001 Montauk, 90 Merc. ELTPO-SW and EZ-Loader trailer (EZBW2100) the other price list was for a year 2000 Montauk, motor and trailer. List price, with the dealer add on’ was $26,131 for the 2000 package and $27,108 for the 2001 package. The boat show price for the 2000 package was $21,500 with a 4 year extended warranty on the O/B.

I didn’t go into the details of the 2001 model with the dealer since reading all of the good info on this site has me going in the direction of putting the package together myself.

lhg posted 01-19-2001 01:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Vincent: I agree with you, put the package together yourself, if you can arrange it. You will save a lot, and be able to get exactly the trailer, boat and engine of YOUR choice, not some Dealer's choice. This is what I have done on all 3 new Whalers I have bought. But working on and rigging a boat must be considered something of a hobby for the person who wants to do this. But the rewards are great in many ways, including the fact that you will know exactly how everything goes together and how to keep it in repair, and it will be exactly as YOU want it. Not for everybody, but nice if you can do it.

But, since I last did this in 1989, times and the business world have changed! BW, and most other boat companies, are determined to package up the boats with factory installed engines. This not only forces the sale of the parent company's brand, but protects the Dealer network from profit-stealing price competition and loss of the engine sale (engines are the highest marked up item, with list about 100% above cost, and engines mean future service work). Bottom line pricing on either boat or engine will be impossible to achieve in a package arrangement. Even if you are able to obtain one of the VERY FEW Whalers that will leave the factory unrigged, the Dealer that has this boat will INSIST that one of his other engine brands go on it. That's the whole reason he fought to get it from Whaler in the first place - to keep his other engine brand happy with a few sales. he's not going to let you haul it away to his engine competitor down the street. So a good price is not likely. I'm even hearing that any Whaler without a Merc will be MORE expensive for same HP of another brand, since BW is making sure the Dealer takes a bath for an unrigged boat.

Much if this explains why the interest and market for used Classic Whalers is so good.
What Boston whaler is doing is inadvertently increasing the value of the older boats. This is fine by me!

Good luck with your boat buying venture.

Dan posted 01-19-2001 01:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dan  Send Email to Dan     
Paying above 20G for a Montauk before sales tax seems crazy to me. I was offered a 2000 with a 90 merc and trailer for 15,600 -- it was a new set up that someone won in a charity raffle and didn't want -- they gave it back to the dealer for cash and the dealer knew I was looking and called me. Of course the timing was bad. But really, there's no reason for Montauk to cost so much.
dgp posted 01-19-2001 05:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for dgp  Send Email to dgp     
The January issue of "Sport Fishing Magazine" shows MSRP price for a 2001 Montauk w/ 90HP two stroke as $22,530. Don
triblet posted 01-19-2001 06:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
Is that MSRP with or without trailer?

Chuck

dgp posted 01-19-2001 07:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for dgp  Send Email to dgp     
Chuck, w/o trailer. Don
lhg posted 01-21-2001 07:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
For those who may be thinking about either a new Montauk with 90HP or simply repowering, I want to correct my 1st post in this thread where I mentioned $5200 for a Merc 2 stroke 90. I just became aware that Bass Pro shops is now selling Mercury's entire line, and saw the following pricing:

75HP 2 stroke: $4570
90HP 2 stroke: $4870
(these engines have integral oil injection tanks)

50HP 4 stroke $5100
90HP 4 stroke $6750 (this is really 100HP)
115HP 4 stroke $7100

Propellers are extra.

I noticed they are now selling all sizes up to 250HP. Pricing on the large models seemed high, but the OMC situation could be affecting prices these days. Merc is also offering a rebate of $2.50/HP before March 1st.

whalernut posted 01-21-2001 07:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
Larry, thanks for the info. Do they have a price for the new 60h.p. 4-stroker, same as the 50h.p., but I guess the carburation is a little different. And I think the gear ratio is a little taller on the 60h.p.? Regards-Jack Graner.

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