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dfmcintyre posted 01-21-2001 03:39 PM ET (US)
Spent an enjoyable Saturday wandering around the Toronto Boat Show with a friend yesterday.
I usually go every few years to the Detroit show, and now, will probably not bother to go there again. Detroit's is about 1/2 as big as Torontos!.
There were two Whaler dealers that had a range of 13's to 22's (whats the new cabin model in the lower 20's) which is impressive, as the exchange rate hit's a canadian owner rather hard these days.
One of the dealers had a video going where the bulldozer crawls over a Whaler hull, then _crushes_ a competitor (tried to see what the "other" hull was, alas, no luck).
One interesting aside.... I found the Edgewaters _decently_ put togeather. Downside was the sides sounded hollow... upside was that the transom is _solid_ fiberglass. No plywood in the transome.
At the Whaler exhibit, there was a 17 Montauk with _no_ wood on her whatsoever (don't know if there is an option to add any) and it had a hin number indicating a January '01 birthdate.
Best - Don
whalernut posted 01-21-2001 06:45 PM ET (US)
Don, this summer I am going to take a ride to see first hand what the Edgewater boats are like in Port Clinton, Ohio. They look nice, but the hollow sound you`re talking about kind of worries me? Is there anything else you could tell me that might help me with this Bob Dougherty creation. If you want you can e-mail me personally because it isn`t a Whaler related subject. Regards-Jack Graner.
dgp posted 01-21-2001 07:30 PM ET (US)
Prior to buying my 2001 Montauk, that replaced my '97 Dauntless 17, I took a good hard look at the Edgewater boats. I found the QC poor, compared to the BW boats; incomplete caulking, peeling vinyl graphic, rusty fittings, etc. Don
whalernut posted 01-21-2001 07:47 PM ET (US)
Don, that doesn`t sound very good. I am very suprised that Bob Dougherty would allow this to happen, if he keeps them cheaper and bad quality control on purpose then he is not like he used to be when at Whaler? I know he is still with Edgewater because he is on this years website. I e-mailed them to say keep their boats simple,classic, and very high quality, and they never e-mailed me back, I am dissapointed with them. I still want to look at them up close, but will be very critical when looking them over. Thanks Don and regards-Jack Graner.
Peter posted 01-21-2001 07:49 PM ET (US)
Based on what a dealer told me, the construction of an Edgewater is not the same as a classic Whaler. Because the Edgewater does not have a urethane foam sandwich construction in the gunnels, when you knock on them, they will sound hollow as compared to a Whaler. This does not mean, however, that an Edgewater is not of sound construction.
jimh posted 01-21-2001 07:57 PM ET (US)
Don,
We had a great weekend over to Toronto last year for the boat show. We took the train up on Friday and came back on Sunday. We got a great room (and a great rate) at the official "boatshow hotel", the Sheraton Town Center, and the rooms only cost us about $45-US/night with the favorable exchange rate.
We got shuttle bus transit over to the show, and just had a great all-day stroll around there on Saturday.
I see the weather this weekend was like last year--it was in the single digits (Farenheit) the whole time we were in Toronto! But the underground access to most of downtown kept us mainly out of the cold weather.
It was most interesting was to see all the Canadian made boats that you don't ever find south of the border, made by small builders.
There were also plenty of sailboats, unlike the Detroit show, and that was nice to see, too.
We skipped the show this year as with having just bought a new boat we weren't really in the market for a third one.
But that is such a nice show and Toronto such an easy town to visit with the VIA-Rail from Windsor (only about $60-round trip), we should organize a Rendezvous up there next January.
Maybe some of the NY State guys would come over and join us.
--jimh
triblet posted 01-22-2001 01:07 AM ET (US)
My '97 Montauk has NO wood, and that's fine
with me. Minimal maintenance counts for a
lot.
Chuck

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Author	Topic: Whalers (+ others) at Toronto Boat Show
dfmcintyre	posted 01-21-2001 03:39 PM ET (US) Spent an enjoyable Saturday wandering around the Toronto Boat Show with a friend yesterday. I usually go every few years to the Detroit show, and now, will probably not bother to go there again. Detroit's is about 1/2 as big as Torontos!. There were two Whaler dealers that had a range of 13's to 22's (whats the new cabin model in the lower 20's) which is impressive, as the exchange rate hit's a canadian owner rather hard these days. One of the dealers had a video going where the bulldozer crawls over a Whaler hull, then _crushes_ a competitor (tried to see what the "other" hull was, alas, no luck). One interesting aside.... I found the Edgewaters _decently_ put togeather. Downside was the sides sounded hollow... upside was that the transom is _solid_ fiberglass. No plywood in the transome. At the Whaler exhibit, there was a 17 Montauk with _no_ wood on her whatsoever (don't know if there is an option to add any) and it had a hin number indicating a January '01 birthdate. Best - Don
whalernut	posted 01-21-2001 06:45 PM ET (US) Don, this summer I am going to take a ride to see first hand what the Edgewater boats are like in Port Clinton, Ohio. They look nice, but the hollow sound you`re talking about kind of worries me? Is there anything else you could tell me that might help me with this Bob Dougherty creation. If you want you can e-mail me personally because it isn`t a Whaler related subject. Regards-Jack Graner.
dgp	posted 01-21-2001 07:30 PM ET (US) Prior to buying my 2001 Montauk, that replaced my '97 Dauntless 17, I took a good hard look at the Edgewater boats. I found the QC poor, compared to the BW boats; incomplete caulking, peeling vinyl graphic, rusty fittings, etc. Don
whalernut	posted 01-21-2001 07:47 PM ET (US) Don, that doesn`t sound very good. I am very suprised that Bob Dougherty would allow this to happen, if he keeps them cheaper and bad quality control on purpose then he is not like he used to be when at Whaler? I know he is still with Edgewater because he is on this years website. I e-mailed them to say keep their boats simple,classic, and very high quality, and they never e-mailed me back, I am dissapointed with them. I still want to look at them up close, but will be very critical when looking them over. Thanks Don and regards-Jack Graner.
Peter	posted 01-21-2001 07:49 PM ET (US) Based on what a dealer told me, the construction of an Edgewater is not the same as a classic Whaler. Because the Edgewater does not have a urethane foam sandwich construction in the gunnels, when you knock on them, they will sound hollow as compared to a Whaler. This does not mean, however, that an Edgewater is not of sound construction.
jimh	posted 01-21-2001 07:57 PM ET (US) Don, We had a great weekend over to Toronto last year for the boat show. We took the train up on Friday and came back on Sunday. We got a great room (and a great rate) at the official "boatshow hotel", the Sheraton Town Center, and the rooms only cost us about $45-US/night with the favorable exchange rate. We got shuttle bus transit over to the show, and just had a great all-day stroll around there on Saturday. I see the weather this weekend was like last year--it was in the single digits (Farenheit) the whole time we were in Toronto! But the underground access to most of downtown kept us mainly out of the cold weather. It was most interesting was to see all the Canadian made boats that you don't ever find south of the border, made by small builders. There were also plenty of sailboats, unlike the Detroit show, and that was nice to see, too. We skipped the show this year as with having just bought a new boat we weren't really in the market for a third one. But that is such a nice show and Toronto such an easy town to visit with the VIA-Rail from Windsor (only about $60-round trip), we should organize a Rendezvous up there next January. Maybe some of the NY State guys would come over and join us. --jimh
triblet	posted 01-22-2001 01:07 AM ET (US) My '97 Montauk has NO wood, and that's fine with me. Minimal maintenance counts for a lot. Chuck