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kfleckner posted 02-05-2001 06:10 PM ET (US)   Profile for kfleckner   Send Email to kfleckner  
Yeah this is a dumb question for most of you,
but I am considering my first boat. In reading the "buying classic Boston Whalers" section under "general condition" the question arises, does it have bottom paint?
Is this good or bad? I looked at a 1978 11'4' Whaler for sale yesterday. It has botom paint. The boat looks to be all there and in good condition. The wood is all in excellent condition. It has three white upholstered seats, the rear with an upholstered back. 3/4 length rails on the sides. Large (full width) gas tank. Stainlless steering wheel at the right side helm. 84-88 Yamaha 40 HP (too much?) oil injected outboard mounted on a U shaped piece of thick diamond plate that is fit over and bolted to the transom. The motor looks in good shape cosmetically and starts right up. It is on a relatively new trailer. The hull
gel coat looks good and there is no obvious
damage. The "second owner" says that it spent all but the last couple of years atop
another boat as a tender. Does $3,000 sound like a fair price? Thanks for any and all input.
whalernut posted 02-05-2001 09:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
K.F. 40h.p. Wow! That is the max. on a `13 footer! I believe the max. on the `11 is 20h.p. I`m not sure of the priceing, but I would be very carefull with 40h.p. on an `11 footer Wheweeeee! Regards-Jack Graner.
whalerron posted 02-05-2001 10:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerron  Send Email to whalerron     
With a 40hp on that 11 footer, you won't need to worry about bottom paint because the only thing that is going to be in the water is the lower unit of the motor. Everything else will be airborne!

All kidding aside, bottom paint isn't such a bad thing. You have 2 choices. You can keep the paint in good condition so that the fiberglass underneath stays protected or you can have the paint removed. My 1969 Whaler spends most of its life on a trailer but it has bottom paint and I just make sure the paint stays in good shape.

- Ron

jimh posted 02-05-2001 11:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Think of it this way:

On an 11-foot Whaler there is only one quarter as much bottom paint to remove as on a 20-foot Whaler.


kfleckner posted 02-06-2001 02:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for kfleckner  Send Email to kfleckner     
Thanks whalernut, whalerron and jimh for responding so quickly. Do you think the asking price is reasonable? Could the 40HP Yamaha have damaged the hull? Is there any way to tell other than looking for obvious cracks in the transom? The original spec's do show 20HP as the max for an 11 footer.
Kurt Fleckner
TRIDENT posted 02-06-2001 03:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for TRIDENT  Send Email to TRIDENT     
Just a word of caution. You might want to reconsider that purchase. A boat that has twice the max rating on the transom is a liability nightmare. If anyone ever got hurt on it or with it, you could be in a world of trouble. Maybe you could sell the engine and re-power or buy it without the engine for half price?
outrage posted 02-06-2001 05:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for outrage  Send Email to outrage     
You may want to question the seller about the piece of diamond plate covering the transom. It has been my experience that when I see some "foreign" piece of metal on the transom the owner is trying to hide something or has done some transom repair. In either case you may want to steer clear of the boat. Not to say that you should steer clear of any boat that has had repairs done to the transom, but a properly repaired transom does not need reinforcement. If he put the diamond plate to help "beef up" the transom then he has too large of a motor on the back. Either way you are looking for trouble in the future.

Once again, just my opinion.

kfleckner posted 02-06-2001 11:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for kfleckner  Send Email to kfleckner     
Thanks, TRIDENT and outrage. I will ask about the questionable transom and the possibility of selling it without the motor. I doubt the owner will separate the two, and removing the diamond plate to see the transom is highly unlikely (there is silicone sealant all over the bolts). Your opinions are much appreciated. If the transom was split down the middle, repairing it properly could cost more than the boat is worth? I will let you know the final deal as soon as I talk to the owner again. Thanks.
NUMRP posted 02-09-2001 01:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for NUMRP  Send Email to NUMRP     
I had a 1988 11' with a 20hp for one season and it flew (about 40 mph) I would be worried that the 40 hp is not only too much Hp but also weighs too much. This boat, because it is so small, is very sensitive to weight distribution.

This hull takes a 15" engine which are rare these days. Repowering with a new engine could be a problem.

I sold this boat at the end of last season for $2,500. Boat, motor, trailer & original Mills cover. This is what I paid at the beginning of the season. I traded up to a 13' because it is much more usable in the Bay.

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