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14 Rage Jet
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posted 02-10-2001 10:21 PM ET (US)
Did Whaler really make a 14' Whaler with a built in Yamaha jet drive in 1993? If so does anybody have one or know anything about them.
posted 02-11-2001 03:47 PM ET (US)
Yes, they did, with the Yamaha 50HP jet drive. Believe me, the less you know about this Whaler, the happier you'll be!
posted 02-11-2001 07:00 PM ET (US)
Larry is right! And this puppy would hardly get out of its own way. My guess is the top speed was around 18mph.. and accelleration was non-existant. She would only go at idle or full throttle. The very first models had handle bar type steering and a "thumb lever" for a throttle.... I drove one just before they introduced it and could not believe that they were serious.... I have quite a few hrs. behind the wheel of a 15 Rage with 115hp OMC "Turbojet"... about 30mph top speed and mild accelleration... again wide open or idle.. could not back off on the throttle without dropping off plane. Fuel mileage was unbelievabilly low... I'll guess at maybe a mile to the gallon. Get the feeling that I didn't like the Rages? I tried and gave it the benefit of the doubt thinking that the shallow draft would make up for the performance shortcommings but was told that the manual said not to run in less than 2 feet of water.. However, you can buy a used one for next to nothing! You couldn't give me one! But that's just my opinion you know! Happy Whalin'... Clark .. The Hard Headed, Opinionated Old Man
posted 02-12-2001 08:57 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the reply. I have heard enough about this mistake. Thanks
posted 02-13-2001 03:12 PM ET (US)
Clark's message points out the HUGE inefficiency of a water jet engine. A 50HP jet gives the 14' Rage 18mph, but a 50HP prop on a 15' Whaler will do about 35! Or, look at the 115HP jet on the 15' Rage @ 35MPH. Try putting a 115HP prop on a 15' Classic Whaler and you'd be headed for the moon!
posted 02-22-2001 07:04 PM ET (US)
Jet drives generally give you the equivalent of 70%, at best, of prop drive
posted 02-22-2001 10:12 PM ET (US)
My previous boat was a 17' aluminum jet sled. 115 OMC jet that put out 90hp out of the pump.
Definitely underpowered, put was fast when finally up on plane.
Would not buy another jet unless it was inboard V6/V8 with a 2-3 stage jet.
Prefer my 75hp Merc prop on my Dauntless 14.
posted 02-24-2001 06:00 PM ET (US)
It would be interesting to see if a 14-Rage could be converted to outboard by use of a transom bracket.
posted 10-28-2001 05:46 PM ET (US)
Hey! I was lucky enough to post a low bid on eBay and win the bid for a 1993 50HP Rage in really good condition. I live in very southern Maryland and had to drive to Vermont to get the boat. I did not do my homework first and read your remarks after the fact. Had to get it registered and all that which had it sitting in my driveway until today with me eating my heart out about making a mistake (based on your comments.) Well I took the Hog Penny (my name for the boat) out on the Wicomico River today (I recently retired and we bought a very old fixer-upper cottage on Cobb Island, where the Wicomico River meets the Potomac on it's way to the Chesapeake Bay) and it was great. Cold and a little wind with some light chop and we easily planed at about 15 mph. I couldn't bring her up to full speed (because of the chop) but we were doing an easy 25mph at times. We were out about 45 - 60 minutes and barely used a couple gallons of gas. Would I buy the boat over again? You bet! It's a whaler! It has enough power for my needs (fishing, crabbing and getting the grandchildren into boating)and promises to be a great boat.
posted 11-14-2001 10:41 PM ET (US)
Good weather has provided additional time for late fall trials of the 14 Rage jet. I am still very satisfied with performance and capability. However, it is clear to me at this time that this boat is more suited to lakes than rivers (Wicomico and Potomac.) Choppy water requires a reduction in speed because the boat will pitch up enough for the intake port to be above water so that the engine sucks air and slows between swells. On the other hand, it permits use in very shallow water and fuel efficiency is very good.
posted 11-16-2001 05:54 PM ET (US)
I think getting a bit airborne is par for the course in our smaller boats. I have an 11SS and went out about 5 miles offshore in the Gulf last Saturday. On the way out , I got airborne about 5-6 times. It was high enough that I could hear the roar of the engine coming out of the water. Tommorow is suposed to be another great Saturday so I am heading out there again to check out some shipwrecks and get pics of a 1873 lighthouse.
So don't let that discourge you from taking your boat where you want to go. BTW, how fast are those things?
posted 11-29-2001 10:27 PM ET (US)
Don't know about top speed. There is a 93 Rage jet currently on eBay. It is listed as 60hp (not sure if this is correct for the model/year) with a reported or inferred top speed of 45mph. That seems a bit high to me. When I last tested mine in an all out run in smooth water at the head of the Wicomico River (known as Allen's Fresh Run) I think I might have been doing 30mph tops. This coming spring I will install a depth/fish/speed gauge and report accurate results from additional trials.
posted 11-30-2001 01:57 AM ET (US)
The only experience that I have had with these boats has been towing one back into the harbor - the same one - three times.
posted 11-30-2001 10:21 AM ET (US)
As I understand it, the Rage was a "think fast on our feet" product because Whaler was losing their behinds in the yacht tender market to Rhibs, and there Reebok era Big boats were so overpriced, no one was buying them. The only experience I had with a Rage was getting towed by one. My 1992 13 sport got some bad gas, and left me stuck in a VAST tidal marsh off the ICW in NC. A Rage came along, with a VERY inexperienced pilot, and offered to tow me in. He threw me a tow line that was to short, and before I knew it he was wide open, his jet wash filling my boat with water and soaking everything! I was shouting at this clown, but he was oblivious because he could'nt hear me over the noisy jet motor. It was a nightmare, but he got me to a marina, but I hate $%&@!!! Rages!!!
posted 12-03-2001 09:25 PM ET (US)
The Rages have a undeserved bad reputation by a lot of people, even by some owners. They are misunderstood by being different than the rest of the Whaler Fleet, but never the less at heart a true Whaler and a very good one at that. I have 2-14ft Rages. One Rage with handlebar steering with the Yamaha 65 hp motor and jet drive (From the Yamaha WaverunnerIII PWC) and the other a Rage II/XLT with the OMC 115hp motor and jet drive unit. Two diferent boats with two different personalities. The first is a center console with the motor mounted amidship with a drive shaft running straight to the jet in the rear. A simple very well built engine/drive system (can't beat Japan at reliability). Not a speed boat but a very reliable shallow draft boat used for diving and fly fishing the flats and waters around Cape Cod. The second a Hot Rod that's not reliable at all, but alot of fun when running. Soon to be a bracketed outboard/jet mounted on the transom (Yamaha 4 stroke jet). Please do not look down upon these boats--they can be purchased for pennies on the dollar and with a little effort and added money become a very desirable over-looked WHALER model. What's a 14-15 ft Whaler worth with a outboard on it in good shape? $13,000 all day long! If you look around you might find a "Misunderstood" Whaler Jet for less than a couple of grand! Add a litle effort and money and you can have a dream boat!!! Just look around--Tuna1 .
posted 12-03-2001 11:19 PM ET (US)
When I first saw one of these at Nauset Marine many years ago, I wondered if it was the answer to all the shallow water and shifting shoals that put a continual shine on my prop. It's good to hear that some folks are enjoying these boats that way.
posted 12-04-2001 06:31 AM ET (US)
I wonder has any one ever put a Jet drive in a classic 13',,,,,
posted 12-04-2001 08:39 AM ET (US)
i'd hate for a nice 13' bw get done that way...but , an old motorcyle buddy and his friend ,a mc dealer..put one in a basic alum. john boat, a 14' i believe, and it was the "cutting edge of advanced watercraft" among the good ol boys on a middle geogia river...a good many years ago...pretty successful from what i heard...ran fast, shallow draft,up through the rapids(yes, there are some!)...the sand and rocks ate impellers pretty quickly...expensive fishing boat...season's greetings to all...lm
posted 12-04-2001 09:14 AM ET (US)
There does seem to be quite a few RAGE models available used. Part of the explanation for this is that while they were being made they were quite popular, perhaps even outselling the 13-foot hulls.
If you boat in areas with limited water depth, they might have an attraction over outboard powered models.
I still think it would be interesting to see a conversion from inboard jet drive to outboard bracket mounted conventional prop drive.
posted 12-04-2001 09:48 AM ET (US)
Having a bad case of Whaleritise, I looked at one for sale last summer. The quality of the boat was outstanding. The problem was even though it has a shallow draft the water jet intake has a screen on it that can clog very easy with vegetation and fry the engine. I would think because of the engine compartment a small I/O would be more desirable than an outboard. Regards, Jay
posted 12-04-2001 08:52 PM ET (US)
I believe there was also another issue that plagued the Rage. The 115 OMC Turbojet was a converted 99 cu.in. V-4 powerhead from the venerable 115J/E. The jet application needed lots of high rpm to achieve any real efficiency. A buddy of mine had a Sunbird "Squirt" with one of these engines. He bought a 3 year extended warrenty when he got the boat, and he was glad he did. He would get about one season and change out of a powerhead and it would blow, the dealer put 3 new powerheads in that jet unit under the warrenty. After the third one, this guy sold the boat before he'd have to buy a new powerhead himself. I think Tuna has a point about bracketed outboards as a good alternative, but I would use a convention propeller driven outboard.
By the way, the guy sold the Squirt and bought a 13 Whaler!
posted 12-05-2001 12:08 AM ET (US)
A while back I remember reading (here) about a much more powerful Rage. Was it 185HP? Check the archives and a little investigation will pay off. As I recall the interested party was very patiently waiting for the right version. Good Luck,
posted 12-05-2001 09:51 AM ET (US)
A bumper sticker,,,,,,"Friends don't sell Friends, jet boats",,,,
posted 12-05-2001 03:29 PM ET (US)
Sub, the other Rage boasts a 175HP model, but I don't know if it's much better. I looked at one of those too, but the guy traded before I could say no. He actually traded for a Waverunner boat. The guy was hung up on pumps because of their safety. Regards, Jay
posted 12-13-2001 04:33 PM ET (US)
Is there any interest in a history of the Rage models ? Is this the place to post it or somewhere else on the site?
posted 12-13-2001 05:00 PM ET (US)
I don't think so in either case. With all due respect. Regards, jay
posted 12-13-2001 07:08 PM ET (US)
If you have some history it would be interesting but it should be in the post classic section.
I have owned my Rage new since 95. The power head was replace in the second season due to it running lean but that was not covered under waranty. At the time I only used OMC recommended products. Since then I have used only wal-mart oil and have never had another problem and administered a metal treatment to the motor. I have put over 300 hrs. on the engine since and love the boat in spite of what some people here say it is a great boat but you must keep in mind that it is a jet and there are some very strong opinions regarding that subject.
Lake Breeze Rage
posted 12-13-2001 07:39 PM ET (US)
seasons greetings fellow whalers...i am
proud to say that i have a rage...115 jet
and it flies....a tad ruff in chop...but
looks great/runs great....true u lose some
h/p but what fun...gets me where i wanna
go and back...if u have one tho insure
u have the sand strainer filter installed
..i may be selling mine as i have just bought
the menesha as a project of love and need $$$
from sale to buy power...cant have both and
a harley to boot...lol....be safe
posted 12-14-2001 12:18 AM ET (US)
I would guess that the lineage of Rage Whalers would be a good idea. Questions about them seems to crop up several times a year. If you are willing, contact the moderator and have at it.
posted 12-14-2001 01:23 AM ET (US)
I am not sure, does the Rage have the same hull design as the "classi"? If it does then it does belong in reference with a history. Since it would have evolved from the orignal hull design. It would then be a classic whaler.
posted 11-18-2007 08:38 PM ET (US)
From my limited experience with a 15 Rage I was under impressed. I had just arrived at a boat ramp and a guy had just put one in the water and had it tied to the dock. He said he just purchased it used because he got it really cheap. He was having a very hard time getting it started. I launched my 130, returned my car, walked back to my boat, got all my gear in place, put up the bimini top, started it, warmed it up and and took off and he was still trying to get it started. I saw him on the river about 20 min. later so he eventually got it started.
posted 11-19-2007 08:22 AM ET (US)
Here's one that I've been playing with. Almost done! http://s189.photobucket.com/albums/z84/kingsteven18/ 14%20Boston%20Whaler%20Rage%20Conversion/?action=view¤t=14Boat022. jpg
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