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ERogerWms posted 03-03-2001 11:33 AM ET (US)
I have a 1995 dual console 17' Dauntless. I have been told by the dealer that the new 16' & 18' Ventura have a much more effective hull design. We love our boat but are planning to move to Monterey from Colorado, where a more stable design might be important I am either going to get a new 4 stroke engine for my 1995 Dauntless or buy a new Ventura. I would appreciate any insight into this decisio. Is Whalers fit and finsih still good? Thanks, Roger
dgp posted 03-03-2001 03:54 PM ET (US)
I previously owned a '97 Dauntless 17 that was the same as your '95. The hull is of a deep vee design while the new Ventura is a moderate vee or less deadrise. Also the Dauntless has a narrower beam.
In rough water your Dauntless will be better than the Ventura. The Ventura will be more stable and less sensitive to uneven weight distribution.
If you "love" your current boat, then keep it and repower it. Don
B Bear posted 03-03-2001 08:33 PM ET (US)
I grew up in Monterey, my guess is that your boat will be just fine. There are two other members in the forum that live in Santa Cruz and (northern end of Monterey bay)and both have 17 Montauks.
Enjoy.
Bear
minh nguyen posted 03-07-2001 01:50 PM ET (US)
I lived next to San Francisco bay, I mainly fished in Monterey and Santa Cruz, Half Moon Bay and along the coast as well as 40 miles offshore and I tow my boat.
For what I see an ocean boat used by most
of us (Whalers) are Outrage, Montauk,
some preferred cabin like old whalers or
new Conquest. I might be wrong but
Daunless or Ventura is not very attractive
to the fishing community, so I think your resale maybe somewhat limited.
Most of fisherman here own
Montauk or Outrage because they are built around for fishing and more towable.
Some have big WT cabins but 17-23
is the most popular size.
23-26 ft is too big to tow around.
Remember, you are not only to fish or cruise
in Monterey bay, you might want to tow
you boat to north coast or inside San Fracisco bay or in the delta. So I think 17-21ft may be 23ft is more prefered. BTW, no Ventura unless you use your boat 95% for skiing and 5% for fishing.
triblet posted 03-07-2001 05:30 PM ET (US)
I don't see why a 17' Dauntless wouldn't
be just as towable as a 17 Montuak.
If you are going to buy a boat to put in the
ocean, I'd buy a Montauk or Outrage, based
on storage space and what I had to tow it
with. But you already have your Dauntless.
I run a Montauk in Monterey Bay. It's bumpy
when the wind chop comes up, but it works.
Keith Kneer has a boat similar to yours, and
his works too. Note: we are both divers,
not fishermen.
If what you want is a new boat, get a new
boat. But otherwise bring your boat here,
and try it. If it doesn't work, get a new
boat, but I think it will.
When are you coming?
Chuck
ERogerWms posted 03-13-2001 12:38 AM ET (US)
Chuck and others: Thanks for the replies. I fish and dive from my boat. My boat has been towed around the country, and has even been four-wheeled to some launch sites. The wraparound windscreen is essential for protection even when summer fishing in the high mountain lakes. I am most concerned about seawothiness in the ocean and have been told that 18' is probably minimum in Monterey, but I have seen many smaller boats in the bay. I was raised in Monterey, graduated from Monterey HS, and return there 2-3 times per year for family, fishing, and diving. We will move there this year. Roger
andygere posted 03-13-2001 01:45 AM ET (US)
Like Chuck,I use my Montauk in Monterey Bay, launching out of Santa Cruz. I think you will appreciate the deeper V of your Dauntless when the chop picks up as it almost always does. I suspect you will be pleased with the performance of your current boat in these conditions, and would not get much bang for your buck by replacing your boat with a similar new one. Welcome back to the M Bay area.
Andy

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Author	Topic: Advice abour new Ventura
ERogerWms	posted 03-03-2001 11:33 AM ET (US) I have a 1995 dual console 17' Dauntless. I have been told by the dealer that the new 16' & 18' Ventura have a much more effective hull design. We love our boat but are planning to move to Monterey from Colorado, where a more stable design might be important I am either going to get a new 4 stroke engine for my 1995 Dauntless or buy a new Ventura. I would appreciate any insight into this decisio. Is Whalers fit and finsih still good? Thanks, Roger
dgp	posted 03-03-2001 03:54 PM ET (US) I previously owned a '97 Dauntless 17 that was the same as your '95. The hull is of a deep vee design while the new Ventura is a moderate vee or less deadrise. Also the Dauntless has a narrower beam. In rough water your Dauntless will be better than the Ventura. The Ventura will be more stable and less sensitive to uneven weight distribution. If you "love" your current boat, then keep it and repower it. Don
B Bear	posted 03-03-2001 08:33 PM ET (US) I grew up in Monterey, my guess is that your boat will be just fine. There are two other members in the forum that live in Santa Cruz and (northern end of Monterey bay)and both have 17 Montauks. Enjoy. Bear
minh nguyen	posted 03-07-2001 01:50 PM ET (US) I lived next to San Francisco bay, I mainly fished in Monterey and Santa Cruz, Half Moon Bay and along the coast as well as 40 miles offshore and I tow my boat. For what I see an ocean boat used by most of us (Whalers) are Outrage, Montauk, some preferred cabin like old whalers or new Conquest. I might be wrong but Daunless or Ventura is not very attractive to the fishing community, so I think your resale maybe somewhat limited. Most of fisherman here own Montauk or Outrage because they are built around for fishing and more towable. Some have big WT cabins but 17-23 is the most popular size. 23-26 ft is too big to tow around. Remember, you are not only to fish or cruise in Monterey bay, you might want to tow you boat to north coast or inside San Fracisco bay or in the delta. So I think 17-21ft may be 23ft is more prefered. BTW, no Ventura unless you use your boat 95% for skiing and 5% for fishing.
triblet	posted 03-07-2001 05:30 PM ET (US) I don't see why a 17' Dauntless wouldn't be just as towable as a 17 Montuak. If you are going to buy a boat to put in the ocean, I'd buy a Montauk or Outrage, based on storage space and what I had to tow it with. But you already have your Dauntless. I run a Montauk in Monterey Bay. It's bumpy when the wind chop comes up, but it works. Keith Kneer has a boat similar to yours, and his works too. Note: we are both divers, not fishermen. If what you want is a new boat, get a new boat. But otherwise bring your boat here, and try it. If it doesn't work, get a new boat, but I think it will. When are you coming? Chuck
ERogerWms	posted 03-13-2001 12:38 AM ET (US) Chuck and others: Thanks for the replies. I fish and dive from my boat. My boat has been towed around the country, and has even been four-wheeled to some launch sites. The wraparound windscreen is essential for protection even when summer fishing in the high mountain lakes. I am most concerned about seawothiness in the ocean and have been told that 18' is probably minimum in Monterey, but I have seen many smaller boats in the bay. I was raised in Monterey, graduated from Monterey HS, and return there 2-3 times per year for family, fishing, and diving. We will move there this year. Roger
andygere	posted 03-13-2001 01:45 AM ET (US) Like Chuck,I use my Montauk in Monterey Bay, launching out of Santa Cruz. I think you will appreciate the deeper V of your Dauntless when the chop picks up as it almost always does. I suspect you will be pleased with the performance of your current boat in these conditions, and would not get much bang for your buck by replacing your boat with a similar new one. Welcome back to the M Bay area. Andy