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johnk posted 03-13-2001 10:06 PM ET (US)   Profile for johnk   Send Email to johnk  
I've seen a number of 80's Outrages with side rails. Most have been ~24" long and ~10" high that bolt to the top of the gunnels. Any idea where I can fine these? Somewhat longer/taller ok, as is aftermarket if they are "Whaler" quality.

I've got pics of what I'm looking for if it would help.
thanks in advance

john

Tom W Clark posted 03-13-2001 10:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Whaler offered two options for the Outrages: side rails and grab rails. The grab rails are far more common. The side rails are much larger and have a middle stanchion that angles up. On my Outrage I made my own grab rails because I didn't quite like the two offering from Whaler. Mine were a little longer and the bend was a stighly tighter radius than the factory grab rails. One not so well understood quality of the grab rails is that the bend angle is not 60 degrees. It is slightly more than 60 degrees. This allows the grab rail to cant in slightly when used with standard 60 degree fittings. For me that was important for three reasons. One, it put the grab rail closer to the person sitting on the reversable pilot seat. Two, it put the rail inline with the vertical plane of the gunwale board thus extending the area that I leaned against when fishing or doing other things. And three, it overcame the outboard cant of the gunwale board itself and aligned the grab rail with the bow rail. (if you view the bow rail from the stern you will see that it does not just stand straight up but rather angles inboard somewhat.) I had to use .065 tubing instead of the standard .049 tubing in order to achieve the tighler radius at the bend, but I think the tighter bend looked a bit better.

To answer your question, most any canvas shop with the capability to bend stainless tubing can do this for you in very short order. Cut the tubing to length, bend it, assemble with fittings, and you're done.

lhg posted 03-14-2001 11:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I ordered the factory SIDE rails, that you are asking about, on both of my Outrages, and have been very happy with them. I would imagine you can get them from CMI (see OEM section) if you don't want to have them made locally. If you look in the Rendezvous or Cetacea sections, you will find several pictures of boats with these installed. In 1989, BW switched to all welded SS rails on the Outrages, including these side rails. Prior to that, they came with traditional flanges and tee fittings by CMI.
johnk posted 03-14-2001 05:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for johnk  Send Email to johnk     
I meant grab rails as opposed to side rails. Does CMI have a web page?

take care, and thanks
j

Tom W Clark posted 08-31-2001 10:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
I just had fabricated a set of grab rails for Westender18 who wanted a set for his Outrage 18. They are essentially the same as the ones I made for my boat 11 years ago.

My total out of pocket, full boat retail expenses were $100.18, including the mounting nuts, washers and bolts and Seattle's rather steep 8.8% sales tax. These are nicer and stronger than the Whaler OEM products given that they were made with .065" tubing.

I will post some pictures after I help Russ install them on 9/10.

Russ posted 09-03-2001 04:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Russ  Send Email to Russ     
Tom,
I'm anxiously awaiting your, and the rails, arrival. By the way, the fishing out of Sekiu has been very productive. Quite a few cohos in the teens have come in.
Adios.
Russ
Tom W Clark posted 09-21-2001 10:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Here are some pictures illustrating the angle of the grab rails:

Rear View
Profile

The angle of the bend is 64 and the tubing used is 7/8" diameter, .065" sidewall thickness. The radius of the bend matches up better with the bow rail.

With Russ helping, the installation took about 15 minutes.

Russ, I hope those grab rails haven't fallen off yet...

After a total of six glorious days fishing Sekiu, WA I can attest to the fact that the fishing is superb! As of 9/19, Washington State now has a new state record for sport caught Coho: 22 lbs, 8 ozs. I was there fishing in the same spot and that fish was big!

Russ posted 09-22-2001 09:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Russ  Send Email to Russ     
No, Tom, they haven't fallen off yet...and after having them on, I don't know how I survived before without them. I certainly appreciate what you did. The fishing has continued to be fantastic here in Sekiu.
Thanks again.
Russ
NewWhalerGuy posted 09-23-2001 10:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for NewWhalerGuy  Send Email to NewWhalerGuy     
Hi team!... nice work on the side-rails. I am looking to invest in side rails for my 1997 Standard, and perhaps bow rails as well. Is the message that I should be getting them custom-made rather than ordering them from WHALER or one of the big stock distributors?

David

NewWhalerGuy posted 09-23-2001 10:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for NewWhalerGuy  Send Email to NewWhalerGuy     
Hi team!... nice work on the side-rails. I am looking to invest in side rails for my 1997 Standard, and perhaps bow rails as well. Is the message that I should be getting them custom-made rather than ordering them from WHALER or one of the big stock distributors?

David

lhg posted 09-23-2001 04:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
No - since you are not talking about the same thing. The Outrage side rails or grab rails are much simpler in design and fabrication.

For a 17' hull, you basically have two choices, and I would price them both. Either the factory all welded rails, or the CMI fabricated rails, used before 1994.

In my non-humble and highly prejudiced opinion, the CMI rails are DEFINITELY superior, especially in design, but probably will cost more, and are worth it. The new BW welded rails are simply a lot cheaper looking and not as well designed.

The CMI side rails are straight, and don't bend along the hull contour. They are extremely solid and have beautiful yacht quality fittings. Same applies to the CMI bow rail, but it has only one shortcoming. The screws in the jointed fittings tend to work loose, and need frequent re-tightening if Locktite is not used (which it should be).

If you need to see the difference in these rail systems, look at a pre 1990 boat, then a new one. No comparison, if you ask me.

jimh posted 01-31-2002 11:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
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gvisko posted 09-04-2002 01:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for gvisko  Send Email to gvisko     
Tom I took your advise and made them myself.
I bought 8' off stainless 7/8" rail
and 4 60 degree mounts .It cost me $85.00
in material. I then went to the job and bought the electrican lunch for the use of
his 3/4" bender .they came out beautiful.
what I need to know is what height I should
cut the sides at . 10" seem very high.
but maybe on the boat it will be ok.
thanks GEORGE V.
Tom W Clark posted 09-04-2002 02:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
George,

Make them 6" tall and I think you will like them.

gvisko posted 09-04-2002 06:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for gvisko  Send Email to gvisko     
Thanks Tom 6" they will be.


gvisko

ewalsh posted 09-05-2002 02:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for ewalsh  Send Email to ewalsh     
Tom W,

Just a data point with reference to your statement:

"In 1989, BW switched to all welded SS rails on the Outrages, including these side rails. Prior to that, they came with traditional flanges and tee fittings by CMI."

I would argue that my 1988 20' Outrage did, in fact, have the factory _welded_ rails. Hull id: BWC6367B788

See here:

http://photos.yahoo.com/rundeep_32.html

Can we determine what month this boat was made???

ewalsh posted 09-05-2002 02:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for ewalsh  Send Email to ewalsh     
I guess we really do need new software.... Look at eh date!
Tom W Clark posted 09-05-2002 10:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
ewalsh,

That was not my statement, it was lhg's, but it's interesting what you have reported.

Your boat then was built in February of 1987 as a 1988 model. That's the earliest in the year I have heard of yet.

It seems that the 18 and larger Whalers built around the time the manufacturing of these hull was moved to Florida had especially "early in the year" dates of manufacture. I suspect it had something to do with reorganizing the production and the new plant in Florida. This was when Whaler first separated the production of the small (up to 17') boats and the larger ones (18' and up).

I had a friend with an Outrage 18 that I recall as being a 1988 model and it too had the welded bow rail. I was actually jealous of it because it was, in fact, much stronger than the segmented bow rail on my 1983 Outrage 18.

My suspicion is that if the boat was built in Florida, it had a welded rail. If it was built in Massachusetts it may have had a welded rail if it was built after a certain date (at least as early as April of 1990 as evidenced by CaptCornchowder's "Outrage 19" which was built in MA according to him.)

Chap posted 09-06-2002 09:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chap  Send Email to Chap     
Hello,
I remember a discussion similar to this in the past and I supplied this info concerning my boat and its welded rails. Mr. Bennet indicated that my hull was built in the Norwell, Mass factory, as a 22' Outrage, and was originally shipped out on
6/13/88 as a 1989 model.

Hope this info helps the knowledge base.
Thanks
Chap

ewalsh posted 09-06-2002 07:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for ewalsh  Send Email to ewalsh     
Tom,

Sorry about the name mix up!!!

Chap, the HQ was Rockland, MA not Norwell, MA. I live in the area and feel saddened every time I go to the grounds of the old factory. Alas, it is now a Home Depot....

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