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posted 03-15-2001 01:59 PM ET (US)
Most of us have had those admiring glances and flattering comments about our Whalers. Usually from bystanders on docks and often from other boaters! The highlight for me came yesterday when, as I was approaching a local marina/restaurant, a young boy about 12 years old, approached my 1979 Revenge 21 as if transfixed! He said,"mister, when I grow up I want a boat just like yours!"... Music to this old crackers ears and I asked his parents, standing nearby, if he could come aboard for an inspection. He was in heaven and examined every nook, cranny, cabin,steering wheel...etc! I told his parents that they sould consider getting him a 13' as soon as possible and that they would never regret it as he would learn much, become self sufficient and have an interest about which he would become passionate!.. That boy could have been me or any one of us! The connection was made and once made cannot be broken... Someone must keep the flame burning! Just thought I'd share that "Whaler moment" with you! Happy Whalin'.. Clark.. the Old Man and the Sea
posted 03-15-2001 02:21 PM ET (US)
Thanks for sharing the story. And thanks for inviting the kid on board. We should all do the same. I also get looks and compliments on my Dauntless 14. I'll remember your kindness and do the same.
posted 03-15-2001 04:02 PM ET (US)
Clark: That is a great story and you may never know its' impact for 30 years. Case in point...
Growing up in the city (Philly)in the 60s and 70s, each year my dad was able to take my brother and sisters to "the jersey shore" for a one week vacation. The man who lived next door to the house we rented owned a '71 Outrage named TICA (short for "This I Can't Afford). During all our teen years when we still vacationed with the family, this man who is affectionately known to us as "the Captain" took my brother, my dad and me "out front" in the Ocean in TICA and taught my brother and I to catch bluefish and weakfish. Since that time, the Captaiin and his wife have been at every wedding in our family, including mine here in Chicago in '95. Great memories.
To make a long story longer... a few years ago, the Captain realized that TICA was too much work and he was spending most of his time flounder fishing back in the bay. My brother, now 43, had become quite the offshore angler, owning among other things a 31 Bertram and a 15 whaler. Ultimately, he couldn't stand seeing TICA sit there idle and The Captain without an appropriate flounder boat. A conversation and a silent deal later, Whaler ownership exchanged and TICA sat up on one of the shore stations out behind my brother's house.
First, however, hull was sent to Florida where it was Awl-gripped, a new replica console was installed, new canvas windshield and stainless rails installed, a new motor hung, etc.... and of course, TICA was prominently repainted on the side. People comment now that they didn't realize BW was still making the boat - she looks that good.
So... you never know what you are creating when you give a kid a tour on board...
posted 03-15-2001 07:06 PM ET (US)
I remember for years when I was young fishing off the pier in front of my parents cabin on Lake Erie and slobbering whenever the Coast Gaurd drove buy in thier Whalers. I coudn`t wait to get one and then at 15 years old my Dad suprised me with a 71` `13 Sport! I could hardly breath. I sold my old beat up Sylvan aluminun, and loved the hell out of that awsome B/W fishing platform. Unfortunately/fortunately I sold her to buy my 73` `16 Currituck. It was sad to see her go, but I love my Currituck. I will always look for another Blue `13 with the 15 inch transom! Regards-Jack Graner.
posted 03-16-2001 08:26 AM ET (US)
Bob, the TICA saga is great! I just wonder how many other TICA's there may be out there (how many Whalers have been the catylist for life long relationships)? The Captain passed the torch to you and your brother... do you and/or brother have children to pass on TICA? Hey, I'll bet Captain is proud of that boat!!!! Happy Whalin'... Clark
PS> I have two grandsons (2 & 5) and the five year old can identify a whaler on the horizon! I have a 1960 thirteen awaiting them! Their mom grew up on boats with me and is a champion clammer.... guess it's in the genes and beyond...
posted 03-16-2001 11:29 AM ET (US)
Clark: I don't want to bore everyone with more personal stories,... but since you asked...
My brother, John, has three young children (4, 3, and 2) and I have two little ones (3 and 2).
John's first boat was a 69 Nauset that he bought from a guy who lived down the street from the place we rented at the shore as we were growing up. In fact, the Captain brokered that deal, in a manner of speaking.
He then got more entangled in the offshore Tuna scene at Brielle and was convinced to buy an old 31 Bertram that he completely re-did. He sold the Mako to my cousin and Bill, in turn sold the old Whaler to me. Soooooooo, the whaler I own today has been in the family for 20 years and was my brother's first boat. But I gotta brag, it never looked as good as it does today after the re-hab. By the way, John named the boat Chesapeake 20 years ago after reading Michener's book. Every boat he has owned since that time has been named Chesapeake.
Thanks for asking about this wacky family whaler thread.
posted 03-17-2001 05:58 AM ET (US)
Back in the early 70's my family spent the Summers on the West end of Nantucket Island. I spent most of my time trudging out to the Point to surf cast for Blues and Stripers. I was about 13. One day, as I was walking to the beach, this old guy (about 40) asked me if I wanted to try fishing from his boat (a Whaler). I went out with him for a couple of hours and had a blast.
Now that I am an old guy (about 40), there was no doubt what boat I was going to purchase. I will never forget that day.
posted 03-17-2001 10:26 AM ET (US)
during the 1980s, I was working in the central NJ area as a harness horse trainer. I lived close to Manasquan, and used to fish the jetty at the inlet for blues and weakfish. I was on the jetty one ugly September day, and watched several boats turn around, rather than proceed out the inlet. All were rather large sportfishing boats. After about an hour, I heard an outboard engine running down the river, and turned to see a Montauk with three people in it. One was running the boat, the other two were facing backwards, hunched down with the hoods up on the foul weather gear. They cleared the jetty and went over the first swell. One of the guys facing to the stern turned and looked at the condition of the ocean, and shouted "where the hell are you going?" They went straight out, and were out of sight in about 5 minutes, one of the only boats leaving the inlet that day. While I'm glad that I wasn't along on that particular trip, I was amazed that anyone would have so much confidence in such a small boat. I watched the paper for a report of lost fishermen off the coast, but never appeared.
A few months later I was speaking to a Coast Guard seaman who told me about taking an entire family off a sailboat that was on a sandbar with their Montauk. They couldn't get out in their 42 footer, but the Whaler did the job.
I'm now on my second whaler.
posted 03-18-2001 01:07 AM ET (US)
I keep trying to think of a good Whaler moment story, but all I can think of is the six hours of agony I spent in the Fort Myers Hospital (Lee Memorial, actually) after the Stingray I snagged off the bottom under the Sanibel causeway thanked me for unhooking him and throwing him back in over the transom of my Montauk by doing a Kung Fu move and tagging me in the inside of my forearm on the way out...
posted 03-18-2001 09:58 AM ET (US)
Kingfish (John), stingrays are very bad news as they carry a venom in the spike akin to the neurotoxin of the rattlesnake. One can loose a limb easily if not treated immediately. I once got nailed in the ankle and had a bad time... As to Whaler Moments, I think we all pretty much run parallel.. I have talked to others who have sat and stared at their first Whaler not really believing that they actually owned one... I know that when I got my first Whaler (a 1963 thirteen footer) back in 1966 I actually got up in the middle of the night and checked to make sure I wasn't dreaming! Here's a Whaler Event> back in about 1970 or so, a friend of mine took his 17 Whaler (85 Johnson) offshore from Ponce Inlet , Fla, about 25 miles and joined 5 others on a 32' sportfisherman (wooden boat) for a night of mangrove snapper fishing. A thunder storm came up and lightning, rain and high winds foiled the fishing! He told me that the only good thing was that each lightning flash illuminated the 17 Whaler thethered and bobbing behind the 32 footer! When water filled the bilge and flooded the generator they all climed aboard the Whaler. They were ready to release from the big boat when it sank... When dawn came the big boat was still afloat and they managed to bail her but couldn't get engine (s) started. They towed her home with the 17 and my friend told me that he was never worried for their ultimate safety for a moment and that the most beautiful sight of his life was the 17 Whaler bobbing behind the 32 footer... I think one of the things that endears Whalers to us so much is that they serve the owner and not the other way around... A Whaler is always up to the task! Happy Whalin.. Clark
posted 03-18-2001 10:17 AM ET (US)
Talk about a "Whaler Moment"... check out Cetacea page 36... I'm speechless (that doesn't happen to me often,,heh, heh.).. Paul and Kayla, keep on 'Whalin! Clark
posted 03-18-2001 10:06 PM ET (US)
Well, here is a weird whaler moment. As some of you know from page 22 of Cetacea, I bought a 25-outrage cuddy in 1999 in rather run down shape. Part of the reason that I bought the boat, is back in 1983 I had a chance to go for a ride in one. My friend, Randy who worked in a whaler dealership called me and my brother back in 83 and said that the marina had a 25 outrage as a demonstrator and would we like to go for a ride. My brother and I said that we would definitely love to go for a ride. Well we piled aboard with a number of other people late one Saturday night for a cruise out to Lake Michigan. Unfortunately, as soon as we cleared the pier heads and got out onto Lake Michigan, one of the girls on board lost her balance and fell down breaking her arm. It wasnít that rough that night. It was just one of those things that can happen. Needless to say, the cruise was over and it was off to the emergency room. I was very sorry for the girl, but I was very impressed with the boat and remember thinking to my self that some day I wanted to own one.
Well, 16 years later, I did buy one. Randy did enough work on her that we could take her out just before Thanksgiving in the fall of 1999. As we were getting ready for that first outing he asked me if I had ever ridden on a large outrage. I realized that he had forgotten that I had been along that night back in 83. I told him that I wasnít trying to bring back bad memories, but that I had been on a 25 outrage, with him, when a girl had broken her arm back in 83. He replied, ďOh, you were along that night? Yea, I guess you were and by the way, this is the SAME boat!Ē Small weird world isnít it.
posted 03-19-2001 01:49 AM ET (US)
a couple years ago we were launching our 1972 Outrage at Burnt Store Marina on Florida's west coast. A small group was watching us and there were others waiting to get in. A couple old timers were telling the folks that this was a Boston Whaler,the" big water boats".Then one said,"That's the brand new model". My wife rolled her eyes up into her head a muttered something like " I guess that makes your day!"
posted 03-19-2001 10:36 AM ET (US)
Yesterday I was cruising Henderson Swamp in my recently restored 16-7 Whaler. It's a 1971 model that was a Lousiana Department of Fish and Wildlife. As I reported elswhere in the forum it was ROUGH!!! Now it's in pristine shape. As I was crusing, two Fish nd Wildlife Agents waved me over. I pulled along side their boat. They were very friendly and asked me how I liked my NEW boat. I told them I loved it, but it was actually a 1971 that I restored, and in fact was one of their boats that wound up as state surplus property. I told them how rough it was when I got it and that in the future I expected them to take much better care of their equipment! We had a good laugh. They didn't ask me for registration, life vests or anything. I quess they just wanted a closer look at the old Whaler.
posted 03-19-2001 05:58 PM ET (US)
My decision to buy a Whaler came after an experience in the Gulf of Mexico. We were out in a friend's 1993 23' Cuddy w/ twin 200 Mercury O/B's. We were trolling for marlin and tuna out in the blue water over some of the deep canyons in 1,500 ft. of water. As the day wore on, the seas got progressively worse. Maybe from 2-3's to 4-6's. Some other, larger boats were out there as well. As we continued on down the rip line, I noticed that these 36, 42, 46, 48...foot boats were really almost disappearing in the trough. I guess at that point we began to discuss heading in the thirty or so miles we were offshore of the mouth of the Miss. River. Nothing bad happened that day and I don't think it would have if we had stayed out there, but we decided to head in when the seas got to 7-8 ft. As I stood in the cockpit, those waves looked enormous as they followed us in. That boat skated right over them and never banged coming down. When we got back to the dock, I remember looking at that boat next to a 46' Bertram and realizing how small it really was, but we were out there hanging with the big boys. There was never any doubt in my mind that if I could swing it financially, Whaler was the only choice. This weekend, we went out into Lake Ponchartrain in New Orleans to take a ride in a 15-20 mph North wind. Our 19' Outrage handled a very steep 3' chop like clockwork, we never had to slow down. I think we made the right choice last year when we got that Outrage.
posted 03-19-2001 07:19 PM ET (US)
Then there was the late April day back in 1984, at the Launching ramp in Lexington MI. We had been out for a day of fishing on Huron, and had just pulled my 1971 Nauset out of the water.
(see photo in 16 Reference section).
This guy kept walking around the boat, looking at it and into it, while we basically ignored him, loading the car and getting ready to leave. Finally, while putting on the transom straps, the guy comes over to me, standing right in front of the big Whaler logo, and says "Boy, these Bayliners are really nice boats."
posted 03-21-2001 12:21 PM ET (US)
Ouch!! Larry, how do you respond to a comment like that? That may be one of those you just walk off in amazement!
posted 03-22-2001 04:38 PM ET (US)
Another observation about the intangible benefits of owning a Whaler:
I have been a sailboat enthusiast for more than twenty years until I cured myself with the recent purchase of a Whaler. As a sailor, when the conversatinon around the office watercooler turned to boats, I was always regarded as some kind of alien by the Bayliner crowd. Now, I casually mention my BOSTON WHALER and I get instant respect!
posted 03-25-2001 11:46 PM ET (US)
Friday I was strapping down my Nauset after a day's fishing. A guy walked up to me and asked about the boat. This boat was really rough when I bought it last year, and had about 5 coats of paint inside the hull, with a lot of very heavy cracking in the gel coat underneath it. Since the boat was about to the usual condition of a crabbers boat, I chose to re-gel coat the inside and spatter paint it, and replaced the rotted console with a new aquasport console that the boatyard had. Since I haven't added the Boston Whaler decals, it could be mistaken for a McKee or other knockoff. When I told him it was a 1962 Boston Whaler, he really lit up. He said his father was the engineer that developed the process for injecting the hulls with the foam. When a boat was taken back for problems like delamination, his dad would bring them home and would cut them up with a bandsaw to find out what went wrong. Their garage was full of cut up whalers! It's because of this kind of dedication, that these boats went on to be known for such great quality. We went on to discuss the origins of the Whalers as pertains to the sea sleds; really an interesting occurance. Finally, he called his mother over from the car, and had her look at the boat; his dad has been dead for many years and it turned out to be a way for him to connect with his father and the years he helped his dad to saw up old whalers.
Definitely a "whaler moment"
posted 03-26-2001 09:39 AM ET (US)
In the fall of '99, I had an experience similar to JimU's. Approaching SW Pass in Vermilion Bay, I could see this big Coast Guard cutter anchored just inside the pass and could make out several jet-skis zipping about. Neither the cutter nor the pwc's were normal sights out there. As I came closer, a young Guardsman in Navy T-shirt and shorts riding a SkiDoo "mini-cutter" approached and waved me down. He came along side my recently restored O/R 18' and asked if he could board. I was getting out my paperwork when he radioed for reinforcements. Within a couple minutes two more SkiDoo's were tied up along side us with another of their young occupants in the Whaler. By now I'd offered my registration to the first fellow and we'd begun to chat. They were out of New Orleans as I remember and had some experience with CG Whalers. As the others approached I realized what was up. They just wanted to have a good look at my old boat! They asked about the local fishing, admired the teak, and never did ask about my safety gear, etc. I guess they assumed by the look of things the required stuff was all there (which it was). They gave me a certification slip for the "inspection", hopped off and sped away to check more fishermen. There's one benefit of Classic Whaler ownership you won't read about in the advertising, friendly law enforcement officers.
posted 03-26-2001 10:20 AM ET (US)
David, it must be the southern Louisiana sun. It does something to local Bobbies (pun intended). Last year I spent several days on Lake Pontchartrain helping to run a regatta for kids on Optimist Prams. After a days racing, and everyone has sailed in I was picking up marks and checking to make sure there were no 8-year-old stragglers on the course. As I approached the harbor, the CG was in force checking every boat that came in. No big deal, I thought, I have all the necessary equipment, and itíll just slow me down getting to the dock. Lo and behold, as I approach, they just waved me through. As I passed the armada, I get a wave and a thumbs up from the guy who looked like he was in charge. I looked back while I approached the dock, and sure enough the very next set of boats coming through all were stopped.
p.s. I'm sitting at a red light yesterday with my wife and son, not really doing, saying or thinking very much (Dad's Syndrome), when I look up to see if the light had changed and there it was: A Menemsha. I had never even heard of these animals until I logged onto CW. A fairly well conditioned boat on a trailer driving past me. Of course, Dad comes back to life only to be shot down because it turns out "I obviously wasn't listening" to my bride's story. Hell, I still don't know what she was saying. But, I got a sparkle from my 18-month-old sitting in the back. I think we have another Whaler nut on the horizon.
posted 03-26-2001 09:37 PM ET (US)
My whaler moment was 1987, Rangiroa, French
Polynesia. We'd gone down there to photograph
sharks. The Kia Ora where we stayed had a
20-something foot Outrage. It had been
around a bit (I spent some time helping the
dive master screw the rubrail back on), but
it was noticably faster than the RIB from the
other hotel (we raced a couple times), held
more divers, and had lots of room. And I was
surprised at how easy it was to get into.
I've had an 8x10 of it on my darkroom wall
The hotel brochure called it a "Boston". They
posted 03-27-2001 08:57 AM ET (US)
Speaking of the PAA, in the government site which someone posted in the past couple of weeks, there are two Navy outrages for sale out of Guam. Interesting pictures... Nice projects boats for the Lakeside Fire Department... Dive2 and Dive3??
posted 03-27-2001 03:24 PM ET (US)
Has anyone had this experience? As you motor into the harbor, the usual assortment of gawkers, fish guys and old-timers are assembled on the pier. As you pull your Whaler up to the dock among the other dozen or so boats that have just come in, you notice they all converge on you to ask "So how's the fishing today?"
posted 03-27-2001 05:23 PM ET (US)
Andy, it seems that every where I go on the lake(Lake Erie) I(my Whaler) always gets stared at and I am asked questions! It makes ya` feel warm all over! Regards-Jack Graner.
posted 03-27-2001 07:49 PM ET (US)
You are a funny guy. We don't have that much free time and we already have DIVE 2. It is an 17' AVON RIB w/70 HP Johnson that was the tender on one of the Coast Guards buoy ships. The next big project that I am looking at is to replace the 13' aluminum boat that we use for ice rescues. I would like to fabricate a 20' enclosed cabin airboat(with heat and defrost) to run on the ice and in shallow water.
Oh, I forgot to mention, the purchaser is responsible for the freight when an item is procured from DRMS. Don't worry, you won't sink on the way(in a BW) home from Guam but your arms will probably get tired from paddling. Ha Ha
posted 03-27-2001 09:10 PM ET (US)
Jim: Anything to get a rise out of one of the brethren. By the way, did the folks from SC e-mail you the photos of the 22 down south? Was wondering if you all had the hankering to do it again.
I would be interested in your thoughts - am still trying to learn for the next one...
posted 03-27-2001 09:24 PM ET (US)
I have not recieved the photos yet. I will call again tomorrow, I am sure interested in a side door BW. I will find time to make a 22' Frontier if I can lay my hands on a 22' with a side door.
posted 03-27-2001 11:08 PM ET (US)
I get a chuckle out of the "catch anything
today?" questions. My whaler has dive
flag decals all over it, no rod holders,
no rods, five or six scuba tanks, three
huge cameras, two divers in drysuits, and
still they ask "catch anything today".
posted 03-28-2001 03:25 PM ET (US)
Jim: Darn it, I wish I had retained that e-mail w/ attachments. Hey, for $3K, it was hard to go wrong.
The hull looked to be in good shape. The bow eye was not there. That concerned me in regards to hooking up a trailer. You would repaint anyway, so the aesthetics are a non issue. Huge dive door. Looks right up your alley. Hope to hear it works out. Someone should give this CPD a good home.
posted 03-29-2001 04:01 PM ET (US)
I haven't been on the site in awhile, it's good to be back. Until 1965 or 66 , my parents had a beach house on Long Island. It was on the barrier island near Jones Beach and daytrippers would ride their boats to the beach on the soundside and walk over the highway to the ocean for the day. Every day I walked down the beach and looked over the boets. I was 4 or 5 at the time. My favorite boats were the 13 foot whalers with 33 HP johnsons. Then one time a family down the street offered to take me for a ride on their boat (they probably felt sorry for me staring at boats all the time!). It was a 16 foot nauset . I sat on the low seat in front of the console. That 1 ride was on of the highpoints of my young childhood. Now my 5th boat ( 2nd whaler ) is a montauk. I still look at it lovingly and can't believe it's mine. My wife and 2 sons now share my love of all things whaler. Some day I would like to get an old blue hulled 13 so my sons can do what I so desperately wanted to do when I was their age. Thanks for rekindling the memories.
posted 03-30-2001 01:48 AM ET (US)
Here's my best Whaler experience for you "made for TV movie" fans.
Way back in 1990, when my 25 Outrage was fairly new, in a weak moment, I decided to sell my then little used 18 Outrage. So I ran an ad in the Sunday newspaper. Next morning, at my office phone, I get a call.
The guy says "I'm interested in your Whaler".
I say "what do you want to know about it?"
He says "Now don't hang up on me, but I just want to rent it!"
He says "No, just listen to me, I'm from CBS Motion Pictures and we need a Boston Whaler for a film we're doing here in town. We've been looking all over, and we can't find one anywhere"
I said "Yea, sure, and my name is Marlin Brando"
He says "No, wait, this is for real, haven't you heard on the news that we're making a movie here in town"
I thought a moment, remembering they WERE filming a movie here, and said "Keep talking"
He says "Where are you located, I'll come over to your office with my credentials and tell you what we have in mind".
Half an hour later, he shows up, a California beach boy type guy, shorts, tee shirt, tennis shoes, gold chain, the works. He's legitimate, from CBS in Hollywood, in charge of arranging the props and stunts for this film. So, making a long story short, he tells me they desperately need a Whaler for a body retrieval scene, and they'll pay me $1000 for bringing the boat, will put me in a police uniform, and will put me in the movie! I mentioned that I also had a larger Whaler, so he came back the next morning, looked at pictures of both, and chose the 25 instead. We signed a contract, he gave me a $250 CBS check as a deposit, and I was going to be in the movies in a month. This was too good to be true!
The movie, which was being filmed here rather than Boston, was to be called "Good Night Sweet Wife, a Murder in Boston", and was to be next season's opening "CBS Movie of the Week". It first aired on national TV in September 1991, and was a true story of an event that happened only 9 months before. It seems one Chuck Stewart, of Boston, murdered his pregnant wife, tried to cover it up, then committed suicide after being found out. He jumped off some bridge in Boston, and, you guessed it, the Coast Guard fished his body out of the water in a 25' Whaler! They had real pictures of the event, and they wanted to duplicate the scene for the movie. The film starred Ken Olin as the bad guy (of Thirty Something fame) and Margaret Colin (of Independence Day fame). Maybe some of you remember seeing it, or at least remember news of the real event. But the last few minutes had my Whaler, with me on board, on screen. It was great fun doing it.
And the boat got ton's of interest from the movie crew and actors. They were all on hand to see the filming of the water scene finale.
Because of this, the same production crew hired the boat again next year, same terms, for "Backdraft", but after spending a whole night on one of the riverbank fire scenes, they decided not to include the footage.
posted 03-30-2001 09:27 AM ET (US)
lhg: or should we call you Hollywood? Thoroughly enjoyed your posting - couple of great Whaler moments.
Where are you in / near Chicago? Besides the guardians running in Belmont harbor, the sighting of a fellow Whaler is a relatively rare event in the area - do you agree? We live in Lake Forest, just north of the city. It would be fun to get together for breakfast early some Sat. or meet when one or the other is putting in. Let me know.
I would guess that you are as frustrated with the dealership situation here as I. There hasn't been a solid whaler dealer here since Chicago Marine (Lincoln Ave) had the franchise here. Chicago Sea-Ray is trying, but there hearts are only half-way in it.
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