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tbirdsey posted 03-31-2001 07:45 PM ET (US)   Profile for tbirdsey   Send Email to tbirdsey  
I'm interested in some history and comparison of these two models. I'm leaning toward, and have been looking for, a 25 walk through, and would like to hear from anyone who has some experience with either. Are there any differences beside the cabin size. I assume the WT has a larger cabin. Was one a predecesor of the either or were they offered simultaneously? The more recent, I assume, WA Cuddy Cabin, with the 10' beam will be too much to trailer. Any info/opinions appreciated. Tom Birdsey
tbirdsey posted 03-31-2001 07:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for tbirdsey  Send Email to tbirdsey     
don't know why post keeps repeating, sorry
lhg posted 03-31-2001 09:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Hi Tom, how are things. Sounds like you've still got the footitus bug! Maybe I can help you out, and I'll send some literature.

They basically made 3 versions of the 25 Revenge. The first being the "original" Revenge, then a Full Cabin Revenge (with a Walkaround high raised gunwale cap), and finally, the Revenge 25 WT. I think you are right, the last one is the one you want, 1985-1990. There was also, beginning in 1990, a wide beam (9-6) 25 Walkaround, too wide to legally trail. Almost the size of a 27. The 25 Full Cabin Revenge was last offered in 1986, and was much heavier because
of the large cap shell. There are some out there, but I never particularly cared for it.
The 25 Revenge WT is a real nice boat, especially with the full transom. You're going to pay for one of those in good shape, unless the seller doesn't know his stuff, which is always a possibility! See the Cetacea photo log for a picture of Walt Steffan's boat up in the North Channel. Nice!

tbirdsey posted 03-31-2001 11:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for tbirdsey  Send Email to tbirdsey     
Hi Larry: I guess its a combination of my footitus bug and Karen's cabin bug!! You are correct, the WT's are harder to find than the WA's. I've seen one in pretty decent shape - wood needs refinishing, but all else in good shape. Bottom paint, notched transom, twin 115 Evinrudes. I'd want to repower and add bracket as you suggested in earlier post. Also needs a trailer. Cost is mounting..........and I really prefer the full transom.
Thanks for the brief history; would love to see literature. BTW, I will be in Detroit frequently for a couple months. Tom
tbirdsey posted 04-01-2001 12:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for tbirdsey  Send Email to tbirdsey     
Larry: What's a new trailer going to cost for a 25??
lhg posted 04-01-2001 01:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Tom: As for the trailer, I'd assume about $4000 max, galv channel frame, including 4 wheel ss disc brakes, and 12 poly/ss shaft keel rollers, etc. I would recommend the 8000 lb capacity using 15" wheels rather than the 6000 lb one I have, since the Revenge is 700 lbs heavier than the Outrage.
RMS posted 04-03-2001 10:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for RMS  Send Email to RMS     
The Walk Around (WA) model was apparently made concurrently with the Walk Through (WT), at least some years. My 1989 catalog shows both being offered. The WA model has more creature comforts, i.e. a sink and drawers in addition to the 7' bunks. While narrower, the WA cabin is taller and longer. Also, the weights are listed as identical(?) at 4250 (Whaler Drive). Lots of choices and options back then.
lhg posted 04-03-2001 01:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Thanks for the correction RMS. I also just checked my 89 catalog, and that was the last year of the 25 Revenge Full Cabin, also referred to as a WA, not 1986 as I first listed above.
little bob posted 04-03-2001 08:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for little bob  Send Email to little bob     
I owned a 1988 22 Revenge WT, great whaler. I sold it for a 1987 25 Revenge Walk Around with hardtop. The Walkaround is superior if you fish. The cuddy in the WA is surprisingly tall with sink/storage on the port side and drawers/counter top to the starboard side along with 7' V-birth and filler cushion/porta potti. The kids can walk around the boat and sit safely on the cabin top with a Full Bow wrap around rail compared to the tiny WT Rail area. Leave it to Boston Whaler to have made both great designs
Barry posted 04-04-2001 04:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barry  Send Email to Barry     
little bob,

Any idea how the cockpit space of your 25 Rev WA compares with that of a 25 Rev WT?

Is the cabin any narrower due to the walkways?

What is the difference in weight? I assume that the WA weighs more with the taller cabin and the bow wrap. I've heard the WA was somewhat bow heavy.

How is your's powered and how does she perform?

Any thoughts on how she compares to the 23 WA (1992-1993 era)?

Thanks,
Barry

awares posted 04-04-2001 05:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for awares  Send Email to awares     
How tall from ground to console top is a 25' Whaler? Can these go in a 10' or 12' garage door opening?

I'm trying to build a new garage that could possibly handle one of these babies.

Thanks, Allen

lhg posted 04-04-2001 08:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
If you lived nearby, I'd have you build one for me that I could rent!! I have been unable to find a place to store my 25 inside on the trailer.

Anyway, the 25 Outrage, on the trailer and with the radar arch, for me is 11'4" overall height on the road. I would think a Revenge windshield, or Outrage console rail, is not that high, so maybe a 10' high door would do. For length, plan on 32' from props to hitch, with Whaler Drive configuration. A 12' door should easily be adequate.

These boats may not look that big in the water, but on a trailer, inside a building, they look HUGE! When I first took delivery of mine, it was inside. My first thought was "What have I gotten myself into!"

little bob posted 04-05-2001 06:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for little bob  Send Email to little bob     
The cockpit in the 25WA is smaller then the 22 WT. I have a 3 scoop bait system where my old stern seat used to be. I don't know the weight but I'm sure the WA ways more than the WT. I bought the boat with twin 140 hp johnson. The boatcruised at 30 Kts @ 4600 and drank the fuel! I replaced the twins last summer with a Single 200 HP Suzuki (6 year warranty). I've had 12 whalers all with Johnson, 1 Merc. I never ever thought I would ever buy a Suzuki. The Whaler crusies at 24Kts @4600 and 30Kts @5000, WOT is 5600 rpm. Yes she is a bit Bow heavy, I use the trim tabs. For speed I still use my 17 Newport with a 115 JP Johnson.
lhg posted 04-05-2001 07:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Catalog weights on the most popular 25's, all with notched outboard transom. Add 250Lbs for Whaler Drive models:

25 Outrage 3300#
25 Outrage Cuddy 3500#
25 Revenge WA 4000#
25 Revenge WT 4000#
25 Temptation 4350# (includes WD)

24 Outrage (25's successor) 3100#

26 Outrage (24's successor) 4350#

Ray posted 04-07-2001 09:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ray  Send Email to Ray     
Little Bob,
Tell me more about your 200 Susuki. What about fuel consumption, guts, does it have fuel injection and what kind etc.
Thanks Ray
little bob posted 04-08-2001 04:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for little bob  Send Email to little bob     
Suzuki 200 hp. Digital EFI, gravity-fed oil injection. Full tank (120 gallons) bait system, crew and the whaler loaded I get around 1.4 to 1.8 miles per gallon crusing @ 4600 (24 Kts average). Guts? You'll have to add another 200 hp next to it!
lhg posted 04-09-2001 12:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Just for comparison, on my 25 Outrage, I get about 1.9 - 2.0 miles to the gallon cruising about 30mph with TWIN Merc 200 EFI's, at about 3000rpm.

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