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What about a 22' outrage?
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posted 04-11-2001 02:19 PM ET (US)
I'm looking at 22' outrages, early 80's single power. What is the deal with the motor well on these models? Is there anything to look out for? I'm considering an 1981. Any info will be greatly appreciated. Thanks .
posted 04-11-2001 03:30 PM ET (US)
George - now we know why you polished up your 18!
posted 04-11-2001 03:47 PM ET (US)
George, In my opinion you should get a Walk-Through (WT) model and NOT the Walk-Around(WA)model. The WT has a gangbuster bow rail, ingeneous pull out ladder, split windshield(easy bow access) while the WA model is not convienient at all.. you have to be an acrobat to get to the bow (up through hatch is akward and around the sides almost impossible). Also the WT is better looking.. you can see that I'm biased... well, you asked for advice! Happy Revenge hunting.... Clark.. Spruce Creek Navy
PS> a whaler drive model would be great if you can find one... 200hp moves it out nicely in the mid to upper 40's
posted 04-11-2001 03:49 PM ET (US)
Cancel that last post! I see you're looking for an Outrage not a Revenge... not the only mistake I've made lately!!! Clark
posted 04-11-2001 03:51 PM ET (US)
There is an 93 22 outrage with a 96 225 yamaha for sell in Mt Pleas SC. I think they are asking 17,500 for it. It has a t-top and stern seat. I have looked at the boat but not to hard. It looks nice. It is at the shem creek marina dry storage. Picture is on boattrader online.
posted 04-11-2001 03:52 PM ET (US)
Ooops it is an 83. That would be a great deal for a 93. The motor is a 96. Sorry for the typo.
posted 04-11-2001 06:52 PM ET (US)
Clark - Speaking of Revenge 22 WD's, didn't you promise a report on one of those sitting at your dock? We're waiting!
posted 04-11-2001 09:33 PM ET (US)
for what its worth look at the one on www.bentboat.com
posted 04-11-2001 11:40 PM ET (US)
Larry, here's the latest on the 22 Revenge WT/WD. It's a 1988 with a 2001 Merc 225 Optimax and belongs to my neighbor and boating buddy , David Day. He bought her in Orchard Beach Maine and towed to Daytona Beach where he has completely referbished her. It has a soft top with side curtains and back drop (original blue mills). At present she is at T&G Marine in Welaka, Fla having a Bob's Machine hyd jack plate installed. Tomorrow he should water test it and select a prop. Currently engine is mounted one hole up and swings a 17" Mirage Plus prop with holes plugged. It accellerates so fiercely that prop breaks loose (reason for hyd jack plate addition) and when it catches solid water it rockets to around 47mph... really it is so powerful that it takes your breath away! It's equipped with the digital "SmartCraft" gage set and tells you everyting! It reads out instaneous mpg and at 30 mph gets 3 3/4 mpg... When the jack plate is installed we will run it again and see what she will do.. my guess is 50 or a little more! I love the boat and David is very proud and has named her La 'Nina... More to come.... Clark ..aka .. Old itchy throttle fingers
posted 04-12-2001 09:52 AM ET (US)
I have been shopping 22 Outrages myself and have found some differences in the motor wells. If I am correct you have an 18. It appears to me after looking at many 22's that in late '88, the well/splash box started to be formed like your 18, a box with drains above the water line. I have also seen exceptions to this, an '88 with a deep well and welded railings and glass gunnels. Before that, it appears that the well is trapezoidal with a check valve draining the aft storage/bait well and an additional drain/thru-hull below the water line at the bottom of a pit. I have seen the inside of the pit bottom painted where the water rises. I have seen the check valves blown-out with foam damage and the lower thru-hull damaged with delamination occurring in that area, both inside and out.
Hope this helps.
I believe that the CPD boat of Mr. K's shows the trapezoidal shaped well(sort of), CPD probably still uses it for a good reason.
Thanks again to everyone who has educated me.
posted 04-12-2001 12:19 PM ET (US)
Thanks Chap for answering my original question about the motor well configuration. I wonder why they made the 22 different from the 18, 20, and 25 outrage/revenge models.It seems that in a following sea situation there would be a great likelyhood of the cockpit flooding. It also appears as though gear could slide right out the stern while underway. I sure would like to here more comments about this hull. Thanks again!
posted 04-12-2001 12:54 PM ET (US)
I hear you, but I want one just the same. A few are located in my area, Barnegat Bay, NJ, and those folks wouldn't sell them for a million bucks. Some of the later years, I guess under Reebok, all the outrages with a notched transom seem to have the same splashbox. Two I saw had the all glass configuration, teak was the option I found out on an earlier post, with a fully guttered rear glass hatch forward of the motor with a sump on each side. The check valve, "older version", would drain water into the pit if swamped since the hatch is not guttered, although slowly. Certainly not dry storage. I would consider the bar for the rear seat minimum/mandatory with single power and small children. We have lost my friend's dog over the stern of his 18 with single power. More planning was required before takeoff.
posted 04-12-2001 01:50 PM ET (US)
Clark - Regarding the 22 WD, BW had always said the boat was designed for twin 25" engines. But I have seen some with singles, like your friends' Twin 25" usually translates to a single 30". Is this what he's using? If so, I'm surprised about the cavitation. With a single 25, especially if raised, not so surpirsed.
I think a Merc 4 blade Offshore prop hangs on better than a Mirage. Maybe he should look at that option also. Seems like a 17" pitch is too low. More like a 19, or even 21 would be in order. That boat should do 55mph!
Not surprised to hear about the Merc 225. Very strong engine, and the EFI version is even faster than the Optimax. Mechanic told me it's putting out more like 245HP. Thinking I would take advantage of the full 450HP rating on a full transom 25, I looked into a pair of those. Prop charts were showing about 70-72 mph! So I stayed with the 200's. Didn't want to embarass the go fast guys with a Whaler.
posted 04-12-2001 02:06 PM ET (US)
Mine is a 90 22, I have twin Evin. 88 specials. I have had water come in the back, but we should have stayed on the dock that day! It has the "bait well" in the rear floor between the drains and you must have a bilge pump in there. I am considering selling this one but it may be next season, I'll post it here first.
posted 04-13-2001 02:03 AM ET (US)
I had a 1987 22' Outrage, no drain valve/hole any where in the livewell, needed the bilge pump. In addition to possibly losing stuff out the the big open stern area, I sometimes had to back out of my slip in a river with a strong current, using quite a bit of throttle. If the motor was even slightly trimmed down, this had the potential to flood the back of the boat. This may not seem like a bad thing in a Whaler, since it won't sink and the water will eventually drain out, but this was a bad time for this to happen. I prefer a higher transom, or at least a higher splashwell.
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