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Chap posted 04-23-2001 10:58 AM ET (US)
Hello all,
Still shopping.
Anyone know any history of the black Awlgripped 22 Outrage out on Long Island, NY listed on Boattrader?
I may take a look.
Aside from obvious hidden damage concerns and the like, any downsides to Awlgrip on the outside of the hull if it was applied correctly from the beginning. I know it is extensively used in the business both for new and reconditioned boats, but what about the maintenance if she turns out to be a buy? Can't treat it like gelcoat, right?
What about its 95 Johnson Oceanrunner 200, I see these running everywhere? Anything unique to this eggbeater, good or bad?
Thanks again.
Chap
Chap posted 05-15-2001 04:54 PM ET (US)
Hello all,
People try to hide their "finds" or potential "unicorns", but this one is clearly on the market. 1986 Black Outrage.
I resurrect this question only because I now noticed there are pictures of the boat with the listing at boattrader.
She is nice but the Norman Pin and the Center Console have me spooked, as does the paint. The pin and console appear of an older, maybe 1979?, vintage, not 1986. What gives?
Were they used by the CPD at the time(goes with my other post)?
I have dug out the answers to all but these issues.
Thanks everyone for any time and effort addressing this post.
Chap
dfmcintyre posted 05-15-2001 09:58 PM ET (US)
Chap -
According to a real quick look in my catalog archives, that console (black vinyl instrument covering and teak trim) was last produced in the 1982 series of Montauks and Outrages. The 1983 catalog shows the newer console (which I personally thought was poor for instrument reading).
Best - Don
lhg posted 05-15-2001 10:45 PM ET (US)
Don - you're right on with the console history. I agree, the 83-85 revised design had instrument panels impossible to read while standing, but a much better engine control position. In 1986 they sloped the panels back and got it right, and this mold is still being used today.
lhg posted 05-15-2001 10:49 PM ET (US)
Regarding a black Whaler hull, in 1989 when I ordered my 25 Outrage, I seriously considered having them build it with black gelcoat outer hull, which BW said they would do for $900 extra.
But I chickened out, figuring it would be a maintenance headache, with oxidation, sun fading, etc. But I know they have done some hulls in black gelcoat, including a fairly recent CPD 27 shown in one of their catalogs.
jimh posted 05-16-2001 12:22 AM ET (US)
Wow, black factory gelcoat! That would be a rare fish.
A boat builder has to have a lot of faith in his molds and laminate work to make hulls in dark colors. The darker the color the more easily any defect can be seen. Small imperfections, depressions, waviness, etc., are all seen much more easily in a dark color hull.
--jimh
Chap posted 05-16-2001 01:35 PM ET (US)
Thank you all.
My gut says run.
This boat is Awlgripped. History given states that a well off individual bought a new 22 as a tender for his sailboat and had it painted black to match, 2 coats with a 3rd clear. Maybe someone could take a look at the photos . I don't know how to put the site photos on this post. I guess I need the hull # to be sure of the year etc. It is on boattrader and soundingsonline. Its worth it just to see the teak.
You all are great.
Chap

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Author	Topic: Awlgrip Black 22' Outrage
Chap	posted 04-23-2001 10:58 AM ET (US) Hello all, Still shopping. Anyone know any history of the black Awlgripped 22 Outrage out on Long Island, NY listed on Boattrader? I may take a look. Aside from obvious hidden damage concerns and the like, any downsides to Awlgrip on the outside of the hull if it was applied correctly from the beginning. I know it is extensively used in the business both for new and reconditioned boats, but what about the maintenance if she turns out to be a buy? Can't treat it like gelcoat, right? What about its 95 Johnson Oceanrunner 200, I see these running everywhere? Anything unique to this eggbeater, good or bad? Thanks again. Chap
Chap	posted 05-15-2001 04:54 PM ET (US) Hello all, People try to hide their "finds" or potential "unicorns", but this one is clearly on the market. 1986 Black Outrage. I resurrect this question only because I now noticed there are pictures of the boat with the listing at boattrader. She is nice but the Norman Pin and the Center Console have me spooked, as does the paint. The pin and console appear of an older, maybe 1979?, vintage, not 1986. What gives? Were they used by the CPD at the time(goes with my other post)? I have dug out the answers to all but these issues. Thanks everyone for any time and effort addressing this post. Chap
dfmcintyre	posted 05-15-2001 09:58 PM ET (US) Chap - According to a real quick look in my catalog archives, that console (black vinyl instrument covering and teak trim) was last produced in the 1982 series of Montauks and Outrages. The 1983 catalog shows the newer console (which I personally thought was poor for instrument reading). Best - Don
lhg	posted 05-15-2001 10:45 PM ET (US) Don - you're right on with the console history. I agree, the 83-85 revised design had instrument panels impossible to read while standing, but a much better engine control position. In 1986 they sloped the panels back and got it right, and this mold is still being used today.
lhg	posted 05-15-2001 10:49 PM ET (US) Regarding a black Whaler hull, in 1989 when I ordered my 25 Outrage, I seriously considered having them build it with black gelcoat outer hull, which BW said they would do for $900 extra. But I chickened out, figuring it would be a maintenance headache, with oxidation, sun fading, etc. But I know they have done some hulls in black gelcoat, including a fairly recent CPD 27 shown in one of their catalogs.
jimh	posted 05-16-2001 12:22 AM ET (US) Wow, black factory gelcoat! That would be a rare fish. A boat builder has to have a lot of faith in his molds and laminate work to make hulls in dark colors. The darker the color the more easily any defect can be seen. Small imperfections, depressions, waviness, etc., are all seen much more easily in a dark color hull. --jimh
Chap	posted 05-16-2001 01:35 PM ET (US) Thank you all. My gut says run. This boat is Awlgripped. History given states that a well off individual bought a new 22 as a tender for his sailboat and had it painted black to match, 2 coats with a 3rd clear. Maybe someone could take a look at the photos . I don't know how to put the site photos on this post. I guess I need the hull # to be sure of the year etc. It is on boattrader and soundingsonline. Its worth it just to see the teak. You all are great. Chap