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duckduckgoose posted 05-08-2001 06:16 PM ET (US)   Profile for duckduckgoose   Send Email to duckduckgoose  

I looked at the beautiful pics of Don Mcintyres Outrage. I was wondering if the gelcoat is good w/ some spider cracks; what should I ask the boatyard to do w/ painting? IE kind of paint ect....
If a polyurathane paint is used does it need special prepping? One yard said that the craze cracks don't need repairing if the entire boat is to be painted.
What are the cons of painting it? Except for its orininality? Dons boat looked so good I think I will travel that route. What price range will I be exploring?
thanks....
dfmcintyre posted 05-12-2001 10:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
DDG -

The paint system that was used on my renovation, was Sikkens polyurthane. The repair facility has used other polys (Awlgrip, etc) and they liked the ability to spray rather thick coats and the running was minimal. The whole boat was stripped, right down to an absolute bare hull. There was a number of holes, ranging in size from rusted canvas snaps, 1/2 inch holes on the gunnels from old spring cleats and downriggers to three inch holes from previously removed instruments on the console. I think about 70 holes total. There was some water in the hull, probably entered via multiple transom holes from dual engines. The transom had to be replaced.

The pluses of using a gelcoat over a paint, in my opinion is that it is a thicker application and will wear better. Downside it that it generally will need to be wet sanded to eliminate the inevitable runs or orange peel. Alot of sanding. On the flat surfaces, ok, you could power sand, but what about compound inside curves, etc? Gel will also hide blemishes more easily.

The pluses of a paint is it's easier to apply, with less sanding and buffing. It's generally a thinner product, so more prep work would be needed. And since it's thinner, you want to minimize the times you beach the boat on sand, etc.

Myself, I'd have the craze cracks repaired before either gel or painting. It should be part of a standard prep. More time is spent prepping (removing the hardware, repairing cracks, etc) then the actual process of appling paint. 'Course the same can be said for painting a car, plane or nuts, a room in your house too!

Best way to save money is for you to do all the prep work mentioned above.

I can't estimate what it would cost you, but I can tell you that just the repair of the transom added about $3000 to my total bill.

Don

duckduckgoose posted 05-12-2001 03:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for duckduckgoose  Send Email to duckduckgoose     
Thanks don, I am in awe at the beauty of you Outrage. I must now get to the decision. I plan on using the boat as a fishing boat; so it will see plenty hard use. I now must decide between an older 70 21' or a 90 22'. Ride quality seems to be the issue. I love the lines of the older ones. The low draft, and trolling motor capabilities. I wish I could have both!!!
thanks DDG
dfmcintyre posted 05-12-2001 09:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
DDG -

If your planning on doing alot of fishing, and your in an area that gets alot of day chop, I'd opt for the 22. Big, no...HUGE difference in the ride. The 22 also has a number of small storage compartments that all drain overboard easily. With the 21, there's just one or two (depending on the year)

D

duckduckgoose posted 05-13-2001 05:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for duckduckgoose  Send Email to duckduckgoose     
Son,
Thanks for the info! I am worried about versitility. I understand that the 78' 22' drafts alot less than a 1990 22'. Do you have an idea of the difference? I also have a trolling motor option w/ the 78 21'. Is a trolling motor possible on a 1990 22'? Is the ride that much different? 3 foot chop ie....
Thanks,
DDG
dfmcintyre posted 05-15-2001 04:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
DDG -

I don't know about the draft difference between those years.

Best - Don

reelescape1 posted 05-15-2001 04:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for reelescape1  Send Email to reelescape1     
The draft on my 90 22' with twin v-4 Rudes is around 16".

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