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gunnelgrabber posted 05-12-2001 05:13 PM ET (US)
does anyone have a good working setup to sleep one or two people on a 16-17' classic? leaning toward a creative fly arrangement as opposed to a full Mills canvas setup..does a " forward platform "as shown in the old catalogs along with a forward cover do the job? any ideas and pictures would be appreciated....thanks,..lm
Tom W Clark posted 05-12-2001 06:21 PM ET (US)
I know that the forward platform will serve nicely as a base to sleep on. Depending on your height, your legs may have to go past the console. The Mills forward shelter attaches just forward of the bow locker and will not be as roomy as some sort of cover that attaches at the gunnel. A mooring cover will work nicely if it is rolled up to about the back of the console. If you have the bow rail then you could probably rig something up with even a tarp using the rail as a frame.
dfmcintyre posted 05-12-2001 09:06 PM ET (US)
LM -
When I purchased our Montauk in 1978, the Mills forward shelter inside dimensions concerned me. I'm 6'3". We were outfitting it for a weeks worth of travelling in the North Channel of Ontario.
Here's what we did:
Had a stainless steel piece, that was 1/2 of a "hoop", for lack of better description. This went from one gunnel, up (to about 5')and over the console to the other side.
I mounted it just forward of the console enough so that if it was up, and we were in large waves, we wouldn't come in contact with it, while standing (understand this?)
For canvas, we had a custom canvas shelter made that draped _over_ the existing bowrail and attached to the hoop. It attached to the gunnels by using the standard Mill's "C" clamps/clips. Up forward was a eisen(sp?) glass, screen window with one zipper in the middle of it. This allowed for some breeze, light and allowed for easy entry when tied up against the rocks (you have to have travelled in the North Channel to understand about the rocks statement)
A second piece of canvas, with screen and canvas cover (didn't put the glass in this one) zipped into the "hoop" and rolled down over the console.
For sleeping, I built a 3/4" plywood platform, that fit into the channels moulded into the inside gunnels. Nothing fancy, as it was covered with a four piece cushion set. By making it four piece, it allowed entry into the anchor locker, easy access into a storage area below the platform (small hatch) and two side pieces that went along the console.
The cooler was placed behind the helm seat.
If you cruise the photo section, there is one shot of the 17 (can't remember what page, sorry...) with the canvas rolled up for the day.
We were like the old saying: snug as a bug in a rug, during those days....
Best - Don
dfmcintyre posted 05-12-2001 09:07 PM ET (US)
additional thought -
You may be able to sketch out what you want, and fax it to Mills, for something custom.
D
dfmcintyre posted 05-12-2001 09:10 PM ET (US)
third comment (so much for PREVIEWING before I send....)
This is important...
I attached a pole from the center of the bowrail to the center of the "hoop" (again, this is visible in the photo). This kept the hoop from falling over (which is a baaaaaad thing to happen).
gunnelgrabber posted 05-12-2001 09:32 PM ET (US)
to dfmcintyre and tom clark..thank you ,both,...this will get me going in the right direction....lm
lhg posted 05-16-2001 04:37 PM ET (US)
If you're going to overnight on a 16/17 using Mills Flying top set, besides the forward platform you will need Mills' "deck cloths" which attach to the forward shelter. These keep rain water off the deck, kind of like a tent floor, because as you know, the shelter sits down inside the gunwales.
gunnelgrabber posted 05-16-2001 05:29 PM ET (US)
10-4 larry, i really would like to see that all up and in real life....i was hoping to hear of a simpler arrangement; i tried a 2 man eureka timberline tent behind my console ,it works, but covers the entire space.scratched that. .....after your testament on "music-noise", i think you might be a potential candidate for wilderness canoeing.i'm a true believer for years ,for all the reasons mentioned...appreciate the help and i enjoy all of this forum..super people!....lm

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Author	Topic: 16' sleeper
gunnelgrabber	posted 05-12-2001 05:13 PM ET (US) does anyone have a good working setup to sleep one or two people on a 16-17' classic? leaning toward a creative fly arrangement as opposed to a full Mills canvas setup..does a " forward platform "as shown in the old catalogs along with a forward cover do the job? any ideas and pictures would be appreciated....thanks,..lm
Tom W Clark	posted 05-12-2001 06:21 PM ET (US) I know that the forward platform will serve nicely as a base to sleep on. Depending on your height, your legs may have to go past the console. The Mills forward shelter attaches just forward of the bow locker and will not be as roomy as some sort of cover that attaches at the gunnel. A mooring cover will work nicely if it is rolled up to about the back of the console. If you have the bow rail then you could probably rig something up with even a tarp using the rail as a frame.
dfmcintyre	posted 05-12-2001 09:06 PM ET (US) LM - When I purchased our Montauk in 1978, the Mills forward shelter inside dimensions concerned me. I'm 6'3". We were outfitting it for a weeks worth of travelling in the North Channel of Ontario. Here's what we did: Had a stainless steel piece, that was 1/2 of a "hoop", for lack of better description. This went from one gunnel, up (to about 5')and over the console to the other side. I mounted it just forward of the console enough so that if it was up, and we were in large waves, we wouldn't come in contact with it, while standing (understand this?) For canvas, we had a custom canvas shelter made that draped _over_ the existing bowrail and attached to the hoop. It attached to the gunnels by using the standard Mill's "C" clamps/clips. Up forward was a eisen(sp?) glass, screen window with one zipper in the middle of it. This allowed for some breeze, light and allowed for easy entry when tied up against the rocks (you have to have travelled in the North Channel to understand about the rocks statement) A second piece of canvas, with screen and canvas cover (didn't put the glass in this one) zipped into the "hoop" and rolled down over the console. For sleeping, I built a 3/4" plywood platform, that fit into the channels moulded into the inside gunnels. Nothing fancy, as it was covered with a four piece cushion set. By making it four piece, it allowed entry into the anchor locker, easy access into a storage area below the platform (small hatch) and two side pieces that went along the console. The cooler was placed behind the helm seat. If you cruise the photo section, there is one shot of the 17 (can't remember what page, sorry...) with the canvas rolled up for the day. We were like the old saying: snug as a bug in a rug, during those days.... Best - Don
dfmcintyre	posted 05-12-2001 09:07 PM ET (US) additional thought - You may be able to sketch out what you want, and fax it to Mills, for something custom. D
dfmcintyre	posted 05-12-2001 09:10 PM ET (US) third comment (so much for PREVIEWING before I send....) This is important... I attached a pole from the center of the bowrail to the center of the "hoop" (again, this is visible in the photo). This kept the hoop from falling over (which is a baaaaaad thing to happen).
gunnelgrabber	posted 05-12-2001 09:32 PM ET (US) to dfmcintyre and tom clark..thank you ,both,...this will get me going in the right direction....lm
lhg	posted 05-16-2001 04:37 PM ET (US) If you're going to overnight on a 16/17 using Mills Flying top set, besides the forward platform you will need Mills' "deck cloths" which attach to the forward shelter. These keep rain water off the deck, kind of like a tent floor, because as you know, the shelter sits down inside the gunwales.
gunnelgrabber	posted 05-16-2001 05:29 PM ET (US) 10-4 larry, i really would like to see that all up and in real life....i was hoping to hear of a simpler arrangement; i tried a 2 man eureka timberline tent behind my console ,it works, but covers the entire space.scratched that. .....after your testament on "music-noise", i think you might be a potential candidate for wilderness canoeing.i'm a true believer for years ,for all the reasons mentioned...appreciate the help and i enjoy all of this forum..super people!....lm