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Barnett Childress posted 05-30-2001 04:35 PM ET (US)   Profile for Barnett Childress   Send Email to Barnett Childress  
Hi all,
I purchased new Montauk today & delivery is scheduled in 2 weeks! Came pre-rigged for Merc. engine (as all ne Whalers), but I like Merc's so not a problem for me. Motor was a Saltwater 90HP 2 stroke. I was able to get an engine delete and the dealer is putting on a Merc. 90hp Saltwater 4 stroke. Only other factory option (already installed from Whaler) was the rear swim platform/ladder.

Actually not bad. The ladder is a fold up 3 step telescoping unit, made by windline.

On new Montauks only other "options" listed
now are rear seat, bimini & some canvas covers. Cooler seat, bow cushion, etc. are all standard eq.

First mod's will be to install hour meter & Pate 24 or 27 gal tank. Interested in opions about Pate 24 vs 27 gal tanks. Wondering how they fit under RPS? How far they extend out the back of the RPS? Is the 24 gal. easier to fill than the 27 gal.?

Next will be goodies. Bow mount trolling motor, sonar & GPS!

Thanks to all of you that helped me (off line) with my endless questions about options, motors, etc. I'm glad I did my homework & I'm looking forward to outfitting this Whaler myself instead of having the dealer do it.

Also thanks to those that inquired about my Dauntless 16. She is no longer available.
Barnett

triblet posted 05-30-2001 07:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
The three-stop ladder is a big improvement.
Until recently, BW used a one-step ladder
that was next to useless. I replaced with
a three-step Windline (likely the same unit)
and it's MUCH better.

I have the 24 gal. Pate. Getting gas in is
JUST possible without moving it. And moving
it when it's even half full is difficult.
Dunno how the 27 differs dimensionally from
the 24. I have a 97 RPS -- be sure to check
what hear RPS the Pate owners have, and
whether they've raised it.

Chuck

Ferdinando posted 05-30-2001 08:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ferdinando  Send Email to Ferdinando     
Barnett:

Congratulations on your new 17'. My dream 17 came along 2 yrs ago. Much of the fun of buying new was to do the goodies installation myself, here's what I purchased and installed in my new Montauk back in 1998.

Bow cushion, VHF, CD player (both were custom fit into the console) Elec horn,
Depth Finder (Apelco 365) Compass, GPS,
4 speakers (2 in console, 2 in Bimini Top)
100 Watt power amp, 300 watt converter, 800 gph Rule Bilge pump, 24 gal Pate fuel tank, Keelguard, Skeguard, Raw water washdown, 12V plug, Full instruments, Hour meter, SS prop,Doel Fin, Full front enclosure & a prepared wooden plate which fits right behind the bow locker and permits two people to sleep inside the enclosure (matching mattress with front cushion)

So thats my boat and I enjoyed every minute working on her, and you will too.....

Enjoy, Fred

P.S. If I may how much did that new 17 set you back, mine went for $18,500 without all the goodies..............

Barry posted 05-30-2001 08:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barry  Send Email to Barry     
Barnett, congrats on the new Montauk!

Fred, how do you like the Keelguard? What length did you go with? I think I've seen it advertised at 5, 6, and 8'. Did you use it just on the keel? After getting a few dings in the sponsons, I've wondered about using it on those as well.

Thanks,
Barry

DaveS posted 05-30-2001 08:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for DaveS  Send Email to DaveS     
Congrats...it's people like you that keep my dream alive(of owning a Montauk)!!! Enjoy and keep us posted!!!
willyjoe1 posted 05-30-2001 09:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for willyjoe1  Send Email to willyjoe1     
barrnet,
congratulations on your new montauk, sure you will enjoy it many many years to come, i have a 27 gal. pate, never need to move to filled the gas, it set under the reversible teak pilot seat, thanks
william
Dick posted 05-30-2001 09:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
Barnett
Congratulations. I am sure that you will love your Montauk as much as I do mine.
Ferdinando posted 05-30-2001 10:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ferdinando  Send Email to Ferdinando     
Barry:

Ref my Keelguard, this is my 3rd. I had them on my two previous Whalers and I won't
leave the dock without one...... I do allot
of beaching with my boat and Keelguard really helps keep my bottom looking new.
It has also helped me sell my boats for a
good price as everyone always tends to look at the boats keel condition. As for my sponsons I don't use Keelguard on those but
I have never dented any of them up to now
anyway.

Good boating, Fred

Ferdinando posted 05-30-2001 10:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ferdinando  Send Email to Ferdinando     
Sorry, I went with a 5 footer on the keel....

Fred

Hank posted 05-31-2001 12:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hank  Send Email to Hank     
Barnett
Congrats on your new Montauk. I have a 24gal. Pate under the RPS of my '84 Montauk. My tank is set back so far to permit filling that it nearly covers the access to the tunnel. As a result the fuel line has to squeeze under the tank to get into the tunnel.

A couple of years ago (1999 or 2000)I visited a Whaler dealer who showed me that they were drilling a hole into the tunnel through the deck behind the tank to allow passage of the fuel line into the tunnel for the installation of the tanks.

I would check with your Whaler dealer and see if this is necessary with the current Whaler model.

Hank

DaveS posted 05-31-2001 12:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for DaveS  Send Email to DaveS     
Hey Barnett,

Just a quick question...what are the main differences between the 16' Dauntless and the 17' Montauk? If history serves me correctly, the Dauntless is wider and heavier but a few inches shorter...Thanks!!!

triblet posted 05-31-2001 09:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
Dauntless is V hull and higher freeboard,
Montauk is cathedral hull and low freeboard.


Chuck

andygere posted 05-31-2001 11:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
Congrats on your new Montauk Barnett! I think you will find it to be a very versatile, enjoyable boat. Have fun fitting her out.
Whalerdan posted 05-31-2001 12:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerdan  Send Email to Whalerdan     
Lucky dog.
hauptjm posted 05-31-2001 02:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for hauptjm    
You might have purchased the last of the classics. You'll never be sorry. Congratulations.
Barnett Childress posted 05-31-2001 05:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barnett Childress  Send Email to Barnett Childress     
Answers to questions:

Ferdinando here in Mass we only have 2 dealers and they don't discount much (they don't have to) New Montauks with motor & trailer are in the 23K - 25K range depending on options/motor. I know there are better deals in other parts of the country like FLA.

I also searched a lot for a mint used boat. Found a near perfect 1988 but the owner changed his mind about selling last minute and I just couldn't let another season pass buy.

DaveS the 16 Dauntless is much more boat. Side by side with a Montauk it's huge. Chuck mentioned higher freeboard & V hull. Also 1 foot wider, built in 45gal tank, 350lbs heavier, self bailing & euro transom. Its an awsome boat and really set up to be a do everything boat. When I bought mine I really wanted a Montauk, but because of approx same $$ & all the extra's "we" (my wife and I) decided the Dauntless was the way to go. 2 years later I'm usually out fishing by myself. I'm mostly a freshwater fisherman with occaisional trips planned to the ocean. I trailer to all the ponds and lakes some of which are quite small & shallow. I personally found the Dauntless to be to much boat for me.

Also thanks everyone for the info on Pate tanks. Talked to them today and getting 24gal. Both tanks are same dimentions L & W but 27 gal tank is about 2" higher. 24gal tank does not require removal of stock fuel tank mats. Guy I talked to has 24gal installed on his Montauk and reccomemded same stating more than enough fuel for a 90hp, especially 4 stroke. Depending on how far back I have to locate to be able to fill he said I might have to drill access hole into tunnel and use theu deck fitting for fuel line.

Thanks,
Barnett

Barnett Childress posted 05-31-2001 05:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barnett Childress  Send Email to Barnett Childress     
Answers to questions:

Ferdinando here in Mass we only have 2 dealers and they don't discount much (they don't have to) New Montauks with motor & trailer are in the 23K - 25K range depending on options/motor. I know there are better deals in other parts of the country like FLA.

I also searched a lot for a mint used boat. Found a near perfect 1988 but the owner changed his mind about selling last minute and I just couldn't let another season pass buy.

DaveS the 16 Dauntless is much more boat. Side by side with a Montauk it's huge. Chuck mentioned higher freeboard & V hull. Also 1 foot wider, built in 45gal tank, 350lbs heavier, self bailing & euro transom. Its an awsome boat and really set up to be a do everything boat. When I bought mine I really wanted a Montauk, but because of approx same $$ & all the extra's "we" (my wife and I) decided the Dauntless was the way to go. 2 years later I'm usually out fishing by myself. I'm mostly a freshwater fisherman with occaisional trips planned to the ocean. I trailer to all the ponds and lakes some of which are quite small & shallow. I personally found the Dauntless to be to much boat for me.

Also thanks everyone for the info on Pate tanks. Talked to them today and getting 24gal. Both tanks are same dimentions L & W but 27 gal tank is about 2" higher. 24gal tank does not require removal of stock fuel tank mats. Guy I talked to has 24gal installed on his Montauk and reccomemded same stating more than enough fuel for a 90hp, especially 4 stroke. Depending on how far back I have to locate to be able to fill he said I might have to drill access hole into tunnel and use theu deck fitting for fuel line.

Thanks,
Barnett

Jersey Jim posted 05-31-2001 05:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jersey Jim  Send Email to Jersey Jim     
Best of luck with the new boat. Thanks to the info shared on this board, I had my dealer install a 24 gal Pate tank on my 2001 Montauk. Fits perfectly under the RPS( took me some time to break the code on that)with easy access to the fill cap. My tank has the fuel line run into the tunnel at the rear of the tank for a very clean install as Hank mentions in his post
Barnett Childress posted 05-31-2001 09:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barnett Childress  Send Email to Barnett Childress     
Jersey Jim,
I'll be installing my 24 gal tank myself. Sounds like there was enough room for the fuel line to get past the tank and into the tunnel without any problems. Do you think you could e-mail me some pics of the install and take some measurements for me as to exact location under the seat forward/aft. I know the install is somewhat of a no brainer but Pate doesn't come with any instructions.

I want to get the tank in where it sticks out past the seat just enough to be able to refuel. I'm thinking about possibly adding a second 72qt cooler seat right behind the RPS for additional storage.
Barnett

triblet posted 05-31-2001 09:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
Don't install the second cooler seat until
you've had a chance to use your boat a while.
I found that I always drive standing up,
with my butt on the seat back, and the other
divers riding backwards. Much better driver
vis that way, and your BENT knees make great
shock absorbers.

You also might try taking the boat and tank
to the gas station before you finalize the
tank position.

Chuck

andygere posted 06-01-2001 11:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
I agree with Chuck's note on driving position: I usually use the RPS tilted forward, more as a leaning post than a seat. It's quite comfortable for driving, and it open's up the seat for passengers. About the only time I sit on the RPS is while trolling, steering my kicker motor with the tiller.
triblet posted 06-01-2001 01:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
BTW, I got tired of getting goosed by the
big stainless handles on top of the RPS, so
I took them and the rod holders (made more
room in the behind seat compartment) off and
put a piece of 1/4" starboard on top using
a couple of the handle mounting holes. I'm
thinking of having Dave's make up a pad for
the top of the RPS and a knee pad for above
the console door.

Chuck

Barnett Childress posted 06-01-2001 05:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barnett Childress  Send Email to Barnett Childress     
Good points. I do plan to use the boat a lot before I do any mods. The other option would be to modify a teak swim platform for use as a removable rear deck & seat as others have done. Could use space underneath for more storage.
Thanks,
Barnett
triblet posted 06-02-2001 09:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
Nobody ever posted any dimensions on the 24
gal Pate install, so: The top of the rear
side of the tank is about 3/4" behind the
rear of the seat cushion. Again, take it
to the gas station before you bolt anything
down. And if you live anywhere near one of
the areas that has emission control gas
nozzles (the ones that suck your fumes back
into the station' tank), be sure to check
those.

Chuck

Cruiser posted 06-03-2001 09:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Cruiser    
Is this Pate tank expensive? What color is it?
triblet posted 06-04-2001 11:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
It's white. I think it's about $350.

It has a sight guage, that is, a clear window
so you can see how much fuel you really have,
not how much fuel the gauge things you have.

Chuck

TightPenny posted 06-06-2001 08:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for TightPenny  Send Email to TightPenny     
I put a 28 gallon Tempo tank under my seat. It fits perfectly, and cost somewhat around $160 at West Marine when I rigged out my 2000 Montauk.

Fortunately I was able to get one without the Mercury pre rig.

Mine now has a 90 HP Johnson on the transom.

Good luck on your new boat. I am sure that you will love it.

lhg posted 06-06-2001 09:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Considering your "handle", you should know that you could have bought the same tank, right there in NJ at Shoreway Marine, for about $100! Oh well.
Dick posted 06-06-2001 10:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
IHG
Being a Tempo distributor that price is well below dealer cost. List price is around $180.00 for the 28 gal tank. No dealer is going to sell below his cost and stay in business very long. $160.00 was a good and fair price for the tank.
Dick
lhg posted 06-07-2001 12:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
The published price, in Shoreway Marine's 2001 catalog, page 87, item #20670, is now $104.99 A year ago, when the above mentioned boat was rigged, it was $99.99.

Shoreway Marine is owned by Larry and Irwin Goldberg, according to the catalog's front page, and these are the people that started Marine discount parts, in new York City, back in 1965 or so. They've been at it that long.
Originally, it was Goldberg Marine, then they sold to E&B Marine, and opened up Shoreway, in West Berlin NJ. Then E&B was sold to West Marine, but Shoreway has persisted on it's own. Back in 1989, when I rigged my 25, I bought almost all of the equipment from Shoreway, through mail order. They're prices are extremely competitive, and service is excellent. I'm just the messenger here! I have no relationship with them.

Their # is 800-443-5408. Call them for a catalog to review their pricing on marine items. I think another vistor to this site has confirmed that he bought one of these 28 Gallon Tempo's from them for the $105. I'm about order one for myself, for extra cruising range with my 18 Outrage.

dscew posted 06-07-2001 06:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for dscew    
Is that 28 gal Tempo tank plastic? Sounds like just the ticket if so.
Whalerdan posted 06-07-2001 07:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerdan  Send Email to Whalerdan     
I paid $100 for one here in Charleston too. West Marine wanted 180 but I told them bass pro had them for 100 and they gave it too me for that price.
TightPenny posted 06-07-2001 09:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for TightPenny  Send Email to TightPenny     
West Marine will meet anyone else's price.

I looked at the time, but I couldn't find a price less than they had. Had I known, I would have had them match the price. Now a year later, I guess it is too late.

lhg, the handle matches both my initials and my disposition.

Dick posted 06-07-2001 10:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
I just took a look at Bass Pro web site. The Tempo 28 gal tank is $108.94 with shipping, that's about what your local dealer has to pay for it.
I can't blame a guy for saving a buck, but with 35+ years in the marine retail & wholesale business I think it's a crock of S*** when manufacturers allow these mega dealers to undercut your local dealer to this extent. Local dealers vary some are great and others we won't talk about. Wouldn't you rather go to your local marine outlet and spend your money where it stayed in your town, if he could sell at a competative price?
Sorry if I am getting carried away, but this is a very sore point with me.
GAwhale posted 06-07-2001 10:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for GAwhale  Send Email to GAwhale     
I bought a 2001 Montauk, 90 Mercury 2 Stroke, and Magic Tilt trailer at the Atlanta Boat Show. The price was $21,995. They came down $1,300 for a Boat Show price.
Final cost including sales tax and documentaion fees was $21,824.75.
It's a great boat. We keep her at West Point Lake south of Atlanta among all the Bass Boats. One day we will take her to Charleston, SC. My wife's Dad has a place there.
My trailer had way too much tongue weight when I first took the boat home. After going round and round with Boston Whaler and the dealer; MagicTilt agreed to reconfigure a new trailer. I have learned that Boston Whaler authorizes several trailers and will not recommend any specific one. It is not very scientific. Initially I was very upset after spending so much money. Part of the problem was that my boat could not be adjusted aft, otherwise it would extend over the bunks. The service department at the dealer were good guys and Magic Tilt did come through.
We've already had several great outings on the new boat.
Kelly posted 06-07-2001 11:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Kelly  Send Email to Kelly     
Two comments.

First, GAWhale, what dealer did you purchase from at the Atlanta boat show? The last time I checked, there was not a Whaler Dealer in Atlanta or nearby. I have been going to Shellmans Bluff, GA for the pieces and parts I need. Does anybody know of a good Whaler dealer in GA, north FL, or SC?

Second, Barnett, congratulations. That is something really worth celebrating, and I have a little toast:

May the sun always find you on a cloudy day.
When you need to get home, may you find a way.
May you always have courage to take a chance,
And may you never find pesky insects in your underpants.

I saw that in a Lockwood Marine newsletter, and kinda liked it. Now, back to talking Whalers after that poetic interlude.

lhg posted 06-07-2001 11:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Dick - I understand what you're saying, and I have to deal with it in my insurance business, also. How many of you buy your boat insurance from a national program, like BOAT/US? It's just the name of the game these days, and there is no question about it, small marine business, like any other, is under seige. Because boating is so expensive, aggravated by the new technology, price is everything now. If you don't have a special niche, you're in trouble. I believe quick, reasonable and reliable service, engines and boats, is the real key to a local boat Dealership's success these days, not marine store items. Service is the BIGGEST complaint the industry is dealing with - period. When you need it, you want it fast, or you get out of boating! Or in the case of Classic Whalers, you have to do it yourself, because there are no Dealerships equipped to handle our old boats the way we want them done.

The Marine industry has done a better job than most at protectionist pricing practices, and they've now been caught unexpectedly by the new world based internet, direct mail, economy. Websites like this one transmit huge amounts of product information, favorable and unfavorable, including pricing information, that the Marine industry, and small business, has never had to deal with before. Some benefit it from it, and others don't. Someone on this site was quoted over $600 for a Mercury propeller. I told him, and probably 100's other reading this, where he could get the same thing for $365, and have it in 4 days. That is the new reality we all face, both as sellers and buyers. Same with Tempo tanks. But Tempo has to be realistic also. They have to sell gas tanks to stay in business, and Cabela's, Bass Pro, Shoreway, etc., etc, can sell 1000's of them compared to the small dealerships. So they get the big volume discounts. West Marine is another animal in and of itself. It's obviously huge, and gets the same discounts the other large retailers get, but doesn't price accordingly. Very clever. Their business model is "price it really high, and if the unsuspecting customer doesn't know any better, so be it" - big profits from the poor sucker. After all, a lot of boating people are considered to be fairly well off, and not price shoppers. But if he does come in with a catalog, match the other guy, and sell just a few of your items cheap when challenged. It's obviously working for them, but who knows for how long, and I don't like that business style, and avoid them if I can. They don't very willingly match prices, either. I had a problem on this in one of their stores just last weekend. Their "won't be beat" policies may be changing.

The engine manufacturers are slowly giving in also. For years, it was local dealers, or else. Yamaha is still one of the worst offenders here. Now even the catalog houses sell the smaller motors, and the Dealers are screaming. Bass Pro is selling Mercury's entire line, and only a very few local Dealerships are beating their pricing. But Mercury now has over 50% of the world outboard market, so something is working (the demise of OMC helped)! Mercury has also put many of the "quicksilver" engine accessory and maintenance items in the catalog houses. Previously, it was a Dealer for this stuff, or nothing. They must not be happy about that. But I think Mercury is ahead of the curve on engine/accessory pricing and selling practices, and I commend them for it. As the only American owned outboard manufacturer left, they are up against the wall!

Who knows, maybe we'll see BW's prices listed on the website. They would be smart to do this. If you remember, BW was one of the only companies, for years beginning with 1958, where the boat and accessory pricing was published for all to see. It was part of BW's uniqueness and unconventional practices. I think BW's last customer "price book" (remember those?) was done in 1993. A marketing rep back then told me Meridian was stopping this kind of disclosure because the customers (suckers like you and me?) were using these books to beat up the Dealers and shop around. Well, Hello! They have yet to return, but the internet will soon change that.

It seems that many in the Marine industry are forbidden from posting on a site like this. But if they're not reading a site like this, they're not going to know what's going on, and what their potential customers are talking about.

Boston Whaler ought to be paying Jim H about $100,000 a year for the customer information, advertizing and publicity they're getting from a site like this. What do you think, Jim?

Whalerdan posted 06-08-2001 08:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerdan  Send Email to Whalerdan     
I AGREE!! BW should be kicking in something for this site!
GAwhale posted 06-08-2001 08:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for GAwhale  Send Email to GAwhale     
I bought my Montauk from TAL Marine. The owners are Tim and Louise(TAL). They are north of Atlanta on Lake Lanier. The brands of boats they carry are: Cruiser Yachts, Formula, FourWinns and Voyager marine. They had been carrying the Whaler Line only about five months when I bought my boat on January 6, 2001. Approximately two years earlier I looked at Whalers at Stoval Marine. They don't carry Whalers anymore.
I also priced a new Montauk at The Outboard Shop in Charleston, South Carolina(6 to 7 hour drive). The price was higher, however it came with a Yamaha(2 or 4 stroke),Stainless Steel Prop, and 27 gallon fuel tank. When I was getting the run around on my trailer configuration, I wished I had dealt with a dealer that really knew Whalers.
hauptjm posted 06-08-2001 09:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for hauptjm    
As usual the comments in this thread are right on the money. Larry is correct in that the marine industry has slugged along, to their profit, but things are changing. What makes this an incredibly unique business is the way the product is distributed. If I'm working on a project and halfway through, late in the afternoon, I need a stainless cotter-pin or the project comes to a complete halt, I run to West, pay the ridiculous price, and go home to finish.

Here's the rub: What's the cost of that cotter-pin inventory sitting on the shelf for a year before someone buys it? Or the clevis pin, or the 6-inch inspection port, or the....... I hate like hell to pay the price some of these dealers charge, but the reality is they are the only ones that will have the part when I need it. Somewhere along the line this will change. There will be merging of the two channels. The buying public will dictate it.

triblet posted 06-08-2001 09:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
GAwhale, why did they have to configure a
new trailer. Adjusting tongue weight is
no big deal. Jack up the trailer frame,
mark the current position of the axle, loosen
the bolts that hold the axle to the frame,
move the axle, check with a tape or scale,
tighten the bolts, check again, take the
frame off jacks. I've done it acouple of
times.

How far to move it? Simple statics, it's
all just a lever.

Chuck

GAwhale posted 06-08-2001 11:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for GAwhale  Send Email to GAwhale     
My trailer is made out of aluminum I-beams. There is no adjustment to move the axle forward or aft. The boat could not be moved aft without hanging over the bunks. A coworker told me I definitely would not want that. He explained that with all the weight of the outboard engine, it would not be good for the hull.

Magic Tilt is located in Clearwater, Florida. I guess they thought it would be easier to configure a new trailer and truck it to Altanta.

In addition;I felt that since I had purchased a brand new boat, motor, and trailer; it was the sellers responsibility to make sure everything was correct.

Bullbay posted 06-08-2001 12:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bullbay  Send Email to Bullbay     
GAWhaler - I was at Lake Lanier last weekend with my 89 Montauk. I stopped by the dealer that you bought your Montauk from and talked to a real nice lady sales person. She had a 13' Sport, two 20+ Outrages and a Dauntless in inventory. I asked about Montauks and she said she sold them as fast as they got them. The parts department did not have the rubber inserts for the RPS rod holders and referred me to West's up the road. Theirs were marked at $6.99 but they charged me $9.99, which I did not notice until we got back to the hotel (Emerald Isle). I should have tried them first but I took back and got the difference refunded and on getting back to Spartanburg found they were too big so will exchange when I am at the beach next week. Two points - dealer did not have the genuine whaler white inserts and point two the price at West's was and is unreasonable and you have to pay attention to what the wand does on the UPC label.
One other comment Lake Lanier in my opinion is a very dangerous lake with the Fountain boats and PWC's making it an unpleasant experience. The Fountain's are so loud and take 5 X 1 and it is like Hartsfield airport in Atlanta. Plus I observed one Fountain skipper trying to get in his turck to bring his boat out of the water and he could not stand up he was so intoxicated. His wife or girlfrend had to help him into the truck so she could drive home. I don't know how he got that 1200 HP boat on the trailer. I docked my Montauk in a 100' covered house boat slip for $20 a night at the Holiday Marina.
GAwhale posted 06-08-2001 01:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for GAwhale  Send Email to GAwhale     
I have heard similiar stories about Lake Lanier. I just read in the paper that a new study is being comissioned about growth on Lake Lanier. Apparently the last one was done in something like 1974.

Perhaps mine is the only Montauk they have sold? They only had one in stock when I bought her. It's not like you see alot of Whalers around Atlanta.

Is the water level any better with all this rain? The lake looked about 10 feet low the last time I was up there.

triblet posted 06-08-2001 02:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
You DEFINITELY don't want the transom hanging
over the end.

I really can't believe they have no provision
for adjusting tongue weight. On most boat
trailers, the axle assembly just bolts to
the beams above the springs. This is done
in part so the tongue weight can be adjusted
and in part so that the trailer distributor
can do the final assembly. They get kits
of parts and can assemble different models
by using different frames and axles and
tongues. And it cuts shipping costs. A
stack frames and stack of axles and a
stack of wheels and stack of tongues in
more compact than a mess of assembled
trailers.

Chuck

Chuck

Barnett Childress posted 06-08-2001 05:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barnett Childress  Send Email to Barnett Childress     
Kelly,
Thanks for the inspiring poem :>! I take delivery next week. This waiting is killing me!
Barnett
lhg posted 06-08-2001 05:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
A lot of the aluminum float-on trailers are configured quite differently. They tend to have just 2 large carpeted wood beams (like 4" x 8" size) that extend 3 or 4 feet beyond end of trailer. They intend that function, of where the boat sits on the beams, to handle balance and tongue weight. The trailer frame is actually quite short, and the wood beams are used to extend it's length. Very clever and economical, but not good for a Whaler hull.

The way the aluminum "I" beam main frames are angled in to the tongue, which is very gradual, doesn't allow for any more than a couple of inches of adjustment. Some, not at all. The straight section of the side frames are that short! This shallow v design of the frame (in plan) also results in very long tongue lengths, which is often needed in a float on situation. I've never thought this style of trailer particularly good for a big Whaler, and a custom adaption would be very difficult so that the V of the transom sits directly on a frame cross member. There would definitely be tongue weight problems, as the wheels would be so far back.

gunnelgrabber posted 06-08-2001 05:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for gunnelgrabber  Send Email to gunnelgrabber     
to kelly and GAwhale ,(re: your earlier comments here on dealers.) in traveling 1-75 through hotlanta you see big billboards advertising "Stovall Marine" as Whaler dealers.are they?....they're good guys( school buddies awhile back)...also, down here in the mullet and yaller fly latitudes,the closest one is Mike's Marine in the metropolitan Panacea-Crawfordville big bend area of Fla...they're good people too...that's interesting about lake lanier, what's the situation on altoona (sp.?)?? imagine it'd be worse...do good..lm
GAwhale posted 06-08-2001 06:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for GAwhale  Send Email to GAwhale     
I am quite certain Stovall Marine is not a Boston Whaler dealer any longer. I would be curious to know why they gave it up?
andygere posted 06-08-2001 09:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
My local marine supply dealer IS West Marine (local store & parent company)but there are other reasons I shop there: They usually have what I need when I need it, they pay me for my loyalty with store credit (West Advantage program) and the other local dealers charge high prices and have lousy service. At West, at least the prices are pretty good. I also have the store catalogs for all the other major marine retailers, and they always match the best price. I'm all for supporting the local little guy, and I often buy fishing tackle at my local shop (not the cheapest) because he does give good service and honest fishing reports. Let's face it though, this is an expensive hobby/sport/passion, and unless I feel like I'm getting some service and support for my additional dollars, I'm going to buy where it's cheapest. Rope is rope, screws are screws, and 5200 is 5200.
Kelly posted 06-09-2001 09:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for Kelly  Send Email to Kelly     
GAwhale, I think Whaler gave up on Stovall. Stovall in Atlanta is a Searay dealer first, foremost, and forever. Boating Atlanta was the Whaler dealer in this area for a long time, and I think they sold a lot of boats, but I am not sure. The Whaler dealership went to Stovall and I thought that might be good since they are a large organization, but the few times I went by, it seemed like Whaler was the red headed step child at Stovall.

andygere, glad to hear you have a good West store, ours is not so good. Went in the other day, two people working in the store at the front counter, I was the only customer in the store since it was the middle of a work day, they did not even acknowledge my presence until I said goodbye as I walked past them for the second time on the way out the door. I typically buy things at this West store only as a last resort now. The store used to be good, but that manager went to Savannah to manage a store I think.

Kelly

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