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daverdla posted 06-06-2001 08:07 AM ET (US)
I may have to leave my montauk in the water for four weeks without being able to check on it. I can leave the bildge pump on and hope my battery lasts or I can remove the stern plug. Any suggestions.
Thanks
Dave
hauptjm posted 06-06-2001 11:00 AM ET (US)
If you've got a 90hp or less powerplant made in the last 25 years, pull the plug and shut off the pump and save your battery. Assuming all is 'normal' with the vessel (sits correctly in the water), the boat will self bail.
lhg posted 06-06-2001 01:58 PM ET (US)
What Jim has said is "standard operating procedure" for ANY Classic Whaler (except maybe the 27 or 31) that will be left, uncovered, in the water, unattended! Never rely on a bilge pump! How many boats have seen sunk at docks (non-Whalers) where the bilge pump was the only source of keeping it afloat. I even know of someone who intentionally left a sterndrive boat, with weak battery, to sink under these circumstances, so he could collect the insurance!
willyjoe1 posted 06-06-2001 02:37 PM ET (US)
did i missed some thing here? "remove the stern plug", with i forgot to plug my montauk, it will filled about 6 inchs water inside, i did that before, when i take her out the first time i bought her,
william
daverdla posted 06-06-2001 09:10 PM ET (US)
Actually, it's 100hp evinrude. But I will pull the plug anyway. BTW, its in saltwater. I guess that will help.
Thanks for the advice-Dave
PS - this was the first weekend I had the boat in the water. Actually I only had driven it once before for about 15 minutes. We love it. I'm so glad I waited and got a whaler. I always wanted one since I was a kid and went for a ride in one with the blue gelcoat inside. I don't why of all the boat rides I've been on that I chose that boat as my favorite, but it stuck it my mind for almost thirty years. I do remember that the owner, a family friend, had sold his twin engine Chris Craft to get his whaler.
My seven year old son is thrilled. He and I were cruising around on sunday afternoon and the marine police in a BW pulled along side gave us wave then showed us his stern. Not the worst job in the world. It had a 175 johnson. I'm not sure of the model.
lhg posted 06-06-2001 09:31 PM ET (US)
If you don't pull the plug, and your pump fails for whatever reason, you can literally fill the boat up with rain/splash water and it will settle in down to the gunnels, thereby getting the engine seriously close to the saltwater. Then wakes, wind etc can cause additional problems with a floating, but submerged Whaler. Pulling the plug is a much better solution, even though you will continously and immediately get a little standing water in the stern floor area, and maybe some growth or crud along with it aafter a few weeks. But that is all you'll EVER get. It is still the best and safest thing to do.
Not long ago I docked next to a 40' or so sailboat, which had it's 9' Whaler dinghy tied up in the slip also. The sailor had left the plug in, and boat was filled with dirty water. I stepped in, pulled the plug, and the boat rose up out of the water and drained totally dry! (it did not have an engine on it) The sailor didn't know enough to do this.
bigz posted 06-07-2001 05:25 AM ET (US)
Heh heh -- now Larry that was a nasty thing to do -- you never know them "sailors" might have been filling the little Squall for their Saturday night once a week bath!
willyjoe1 posted 06-07-2001 09:21 AM ET (US)
larry,
thanks your explaination , i really learning something here,
william
lhg posted 06-07-2001 03:11 PM ET (US)
Thanks, williejoe. BigZ, it wasn't a classic squall, but the more conventional looking 9' model, kind of like a miniature 13.

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Author	Topic: extended time in water-unattended
daverdla	posted 06-06-2001 08:07 AM ET (US) I may have to leave my montauk in the water for four weeks without being able to check on it. I can leave the bildge pump on and hope my battery lasts or I can remove the stern plug. Any suggestions. Thanks Dave
hauptjm	posted 06-06-2001 11:00 AM ET (US) If you've got a 90hp or less powerplant made in the last 25 years, pull the plug and shut off the pump and save your battery. Assuming all is 'normal' with the vessel (sits correctly in the water), the boat will self bail.
lhg	posted 06-06-2001 01:58 PM ET (US) What Jim has said is "standard operating procedure" for ANY Classic Whaler (except maybe the 27 or 31) that will be left, uncovered, in the water, unattended! Never rely on a bilge pump! How many boats have seen sunk at docks (non-Whalers) where the bilge pump was the only source of keeping it afloat. I even know of someone who intentionally left a sterndrive boat, with weak battery, to sink under these circumstances, so he could collect the insurance!
willyjoe1	posted 06-06-2001 02:37 PM ET (US) did i missed some thing here? "remove the stern plug", with i forgot to plug my montauk, it will filled about 6 inchs water inside, i did that before, when i take her out the first time i bought her, william
daverdla	posted 06-06-2001 09:10 PM ET (US) Actually, it's 100hp evinrude. But I will pull the plug anyway. BTW, its in saltwater. I guess that will help. Thanks for the advice-Dave PS - this was the first weekend I had the boat in the water. Actually I only had driven it once before for about 15 minutes. We love it. I'm so glad I waited and got a whaler. I always wanted one since I was a kid and went for a ride in one with the blue gelcoat inside. I don't why of all the boat rides I've been on that I chose that boat as my favorite, but it stuck it my mind for almost thirty years. I do remember that the owner, a family friend, had sold his twin engine Chris Craft to get his whaler. My seven year old son is thrilled. He and I were cruising around on sunday afternoon and the marine police in a BW pulled along side gave us wave then showed us his stern. Not the worst job in the world. It had a 175 johnson. I'm not sure of the model.
lhg	posted 06-06-2001 09:31 PM ET (US) If you don't pull the plug, and your pump fails for whatever reason, you can literally fill the boat up with rain/splash water and it will settle in down to the gunnels, thereby getting the engine seriously close to the saltwater. Then wakes, wind etc can cause additional problems with a floating, but submerged Whaler. Pulling the plug is a much better solution, even though you will continously and immediately get a little standing water in the stern floor area, and maybe some growth or crud along with it aafter a few weeks. But that is all you'll EVER get. It is still the best and safest thing to do. Not long ago I docked next to a 40' or so sailboat, which had it's 9' Whaler dinghy tied up in the slip also. The sailor had left the plug in, and boat was filled with dirty water. I stepped in, pulled the plug, and the boat rose up out of the water and drained totally dry! (it did not have an engine on it) The sailor didn't know enough to do this.
bigz	posted 06-07-2001 05:25 AM ET (US) Heh heh -- now Larry that was a nasty thing to do -- you never know them "sailors" might have been filling the little Squall for their Saturday night once a week bath!
willyjoe1	posted 06-07-2001 09:21 AM ET (US) larry, thanks your explaination , i really learning something here, william
lhg	posted 06-07-2001 03:11 PM ET (US) Thanks, williejoe. BigZ, it wasn't a classic squall, but the more conventional looking 9' model, kind of like a miniature 13.