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Whaler or Edgewater??
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posted 06-07-2001 11:32 PM ET (US)
Need some advice/info from anyone who is familiar enough with both Whaler and Edgewater boats. In all likelihood I will be purchasing an Outrage 18. However I would at least like to "check out" a comparable Edgewater. As I understand it, Edgewater is a "Whaler-like" boat, and the company's head previously worked for Boston Whaler. Can anyone give me pro's and con's of Whaler (Outrage 18) vs comparable Edgewater??
posted 06-08-2001 01:20 PM ET (US)
Hull warranty: Whaler=10 years, Edgewater=lifetime; both transferable.
Fit and finish: Both excelent, as they ought to be for the $$$ paid.
If you are seriously considering Edgewater, you need to personally look at one of their products. I've climbed into the 18'-24' Edgewater boats at the Miami Intl. Boat show for the past 5 years. I would consider their product as close a competitor to the BW as any out there.
Look at the two boats, see whether the features unique to each suit your vision of what you see using the boat for. Both are well constructed, both hold their value substantially better than most boats.
My father has a '97 20'-CC Edgewater, I have an '85 15'-Sport Boston Whaler. The edgewater gets used atleast 52 times a year since new, always in salt water, and has held together fine. Nothing has fallen apart, nothing has been listed as "that must have been a $5 cost savings when they built the boat". How often when you look at a used boat that is 4 years old do you see things that are showing signs of failing?
I can sit in an Edgewater and a BW and tell you things I'd change about both if I were customizing it for me...
posted 06-08-2001 02:44 PM ET (US)
As a known fan of Bob Dougherty's marine design work, if I was in a position where I HAD to buy a new boat, I would give Edgewater serious consideration, and would probably buy one over a new style Whaler from a design consideration. But I would first investigate having the Commercial Products Division build me a Classic Whaler, like Louie Kokinis bought. I am surprised that more readers here don't look into this, whether you are looking for a 13 or a 27. They can be done in the recreational tan, and don't have to be battleship gray. I don't think the price premium is even that great. We all know you get what you pay for with a Whaler!
That being said, I think Edgewater's more classic BW design is appealing, if that is what you like. I do. But I've got to say, I'm so used to knowing that I have an "unsinkable bathtub" under me when I'm out in a classic Whaler, that I wonder about the Edgewater's degree of advertized "unsinkability". What about swamped stability? Dougherty obviously had design restrictions/copyrights/patents etc to deal with after leaving BW, so the boat is not built quite like a Whaler. Wonder what happens when you pull the plug? Put the plug in, and fill the boat up with water from a hose. How does it behave? I have no experience with one, but I would want to know these answers before I purchased.
I had the unfortunate experience of having my 18 Outrage, 3 miles offshore in the Atlantic, take a BIG wave over the transom, top of the engines, while trolling, and fill the boat up with water INSTANTLY. The weather was cold, gray and windy and no one else was in sight. There were five of us aboard, and the Whaler probably saved us. Almost any other other boat would have gone down in a minute, especially a sterndrive. We just stood there, totally stunned and soaked, then I realized we were going to be OK. My four guests didn't know what to think, hanging on to the rails for stability! Although we were awash, we were floating, and both engines were above water, even though the batteries weren't! Turned the key, the other engine instantly started, much to my amazement, PULLED the sump plug, gave it some power (a LOT of power with all the water being carried), and off we went, planing the boat for about 5 minutes until it was drained thhrough the stern sump, with help of the bilge pump. So I wonder how an Edgewater would perform under these conditions. That is the real question as to whether they measure up to a Whaler, old or new.
posted 06-08-2001 10:21 PM ET (US)
Whaler or Edgewater? I'd much rather have a Grady White than an Edgewater. I've seen several Edgewaters -- two are at the marina where I keep my Whaler. Also at the marina are about 15 other Whalers and 5-6 Grady Whites. The Edgewaters are no where near as nice as the Whalers or Gradys. I'm sure Whalers and Gradys have a higher resale value, too.
posted 06-09-2001 08:38 PM ET (US)
I'm on my 3rd whaler, 90 22 outrage w/twin v4's...I seriously looked at a brand new (no motor yet)20 EW 2 yrs ago. After poking my head in the huge fishbox and finding the underside floor separating....this boat had never been wet!!!...the dealer tells me "we can fix that before you buy it". Sorry, I know where my money's going!
posted 06-10-2001 11:05 AM ET (US)
BTW, in the Houston Chronicle (wet!) there is a 2000 17' Center Console Edgewater with a 100 Yam 4 stroke. Asking $17,000. Good price I thought. Rex
posted 06-11-2001 10:02 AM ET (US)
LHG, your story reminded me of one of the reasons I sold my 18' Outrage - the low open transom. In my opinion, it is one of the very few design flaws in that boat, at least for the way I used it. I like to fish the rips and the standing waves would sometimes break right over the Outrage's transom. While the water shipped out under power within a few frantic minutes, I would rather have a high, enclosed transom to keep the water out in the fiurst place.
posted 06-13-2001 04:44 PM ET (US)
"Boatdesigner" - considering your experience, could you add anything here with respect to the Whaler/Edgewater debate? The reason I took the large wave over the transom in my 18 Outrage was trolling for King Mackeral, with 4 downriggers out, when person steering took us over a crab trap line, snagging all 4 downrigger wires and stopping the boat dead in the water. This left stern exposed to wind drift and wave action. I had to quickly cut all four wires to set us free.
posted 06-14-2001 10:45 AM ET (US)
Chris: Edgewater has a long way to go before they reach the level of quality, fit, and finish of a Whaler. They are nice, they look like Whalers, but that’s where the comparison ends (IMO).
Where2: A fair comparison would be looking at the Edgewater in 2014 vs comparing a relatively new boat to the older Whaler. I seriously considered Edgewater (and many others) before ordering my boat, but after looking in the inspection hatches, the wiring harness, and the hull to deck seam, I stopped looking. Both Warrantees have fine print which leaves the work (if any) done to the discretion of the builder. To date Edgwater hasn't been around long enough to compare it to Whalers track record.
Dan: I agree, Grady is probably the closest comparison to Edgwater, and Grady (again IMO) wins hands down. Both have similar construction and offer the same ‘basic’ not ‘level’ floatation, but the Grady is overbuilt in comparison.
Tbyrne: We all love or hate different things about our boats, personally I wouldn’t own a small boat with a high freeboard or transom. I’ve had mine full of water more times than I can remember - it always drains. Water in most other boats is a serious problem.
posted 06-14-2001 12:06 PM ET (US)
Regarding low transoms:
There is a whole new design trend in sailboats which does away entirely with the transom, leaving the boat cockpit open to the stern. While I doubt that you'd find this approved for ocean crossing, it does seem to be popular in high performance racing sailboats, and even is used in some cruising designs.
The best benefit of this open transom design is for cruising sailors who bring their dogs along. I saw one couple taking their dog to shore for its morning walk; the dog can board the dingy just by stepping out the rear of the open transom and into the dingy!
How the water stays out in a big following sea, I don't know. I guess they figure in small waves there is enough reserve buoyancy in the hullform to keep the stern above the water. In really big waves...well, those waves are coming aboard no matter what the transom configuration, so this way they can go out as fast as they came in.
posted 06-14-2001 03:39 PM ET (US)
There is no doubt that the wide, dual engine notched transom of the Classic 18-25 Outrage/Revenge is one of their greatest safety factors. The boats cannot hold water above that line, and the engines are kept above water. The free draining splash well is designed to take a little water once in a while without concern.
When the full transom Whaler Design and Sea Drive versions came out, many were concerned about the lack of ability to get rid of water quickly. Two 3" diameter drains are cut through the splash rail, and then through the transom, to help eliminate this potential, but it would take a lot longer to get rid of a boatload of water. But under more normal boating conditions, the full transom provides a drier interior and the feeling of more security. So there is a trade off, once again.
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