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george nagy posted 06-22-2001 03:59 PM ET (US)   Profile for george nagy   Send Email to george nagy  
Depending on the diagnosis on my 1987 150 hp evinrude I may need to repower my 18' outrage. I don't want to start throwing money into an old motor, been there done that! I have noticed that some of you have older outrages with newer motors. I would like to know some of your findings and hear some testimonies. I figure opt. #1 would be to just get a new omc 150 and use some of the existing rigging. Opt. #2 repower completely w/ a yamaha, merc, suzuki, etc.. My budget is very small. Small boat-small budget I guess. Opt. #3 buy new/ newer boat and motor package 18' or a little bigger. I would love to read your comments thank you! G.
lhg posted 06-22-2001 04:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
George - if your budget is small, take a look at S Florida Boat Trader. I have noticed a lot of used engines in there. If you're going to buy new, HP for HP, nobody (any brand) will beat the pricing for a Merc from Sundance Marine. See Scott, at Pompano Beach location. Tell him I sent you. They are advertizing a new Merc 150 carb 2 stroke for $6500. A new Merc 115 EFI four stroke is about $7000. Those would be your two lowest cost options if you must buy new.
george nagy posted 06-22-2001 04:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for george nagy  Send Email to george nagy     
lhg what about the rigging? How would one of those 135 sw optimax do in performance. P.S. I saw your boat about a moth ago and it didn't look like you behind the helm. thanks for the info.
lhg posted 06-22-2001 06:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
George - You proabably saw my son out in the boat - I hope! Mercury rigging would not be compatible with OMC's. Contact Clark Roberts for info on his 135 Optimax.
maverick posted 06-22-2001 08:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for maverick  Send Email to maverick     
George - I have an 85 18.6; when I bought it 4 yrs ago, it had orig. 150 Yammy on it. Two yrs ago I repowered new with 150 J. Sold old Yammy for $1500 (ran good but salty), new cost me $8400 with hydraulic strg, well worth the $. Awesome combination. Have 138 hrs on it, been a good one. Good decision. Third Whaler I've repowered this way. Pricey, but worth it. Best, Mav
bmacauto posted 06-24-2001 12:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for bmacauto  Send Email to bmacauto     
Does anyone have experence with a 150 Yamaha? I'm thinking of repowering my 18 outrage with 84 yam 115, still runns good, but dont know how long i can trust it.
Brian
maverick posted 06-24-2001 07:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for maverick  Send Email to maverick     
Brian - Yammy has a very good name - especially right now with OMC in a quandary. My nephew just bought a new Yammy 90 for his 17 Montauk, and is well pleased. It was pricey - about $1000 more than I expected (about $1000 more than my last new Johnson 90). Whatever you get, tried and proven would be my recommendation. And the 150 is awesome on an 18.6 - when I gun mine - a Johnson 150 with SS Viper prop - you better have a good hold on something, else you'll be swimming behind the boat. Impressive. Best, Mav
alan posted 06-24-2001 11:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for alan  Send Email to alan     
I repowered my '82 18'6" Outrage last year with a Merc 150 2001 Optimax. The OR had the original 150 Johnson on it with a new powerhead 6 years ago, ran well but very salty and I go from RI 10-15 miles out to Block Island 50% of the time. I originally got a good deal on a hull in very good condition 4 years ago so I think it was worth the investment. Going from OMC to Merc rigging is an extra $1500., realisticly all said and done. I did the same on my last Whaler, a '67 Sakonet(Montalk)going from the original Bearcat to the first purchased Yamaha 90HP in the US. Never a bad investment to upgrade a Whaler in good condition. I refinished all the original stuff on the Sakonet including the beautiful mahogany console and sold it in three days, sight unseen, to a fellow in PA at twice what I paid for it. I'm doing the same to the Outrage but love the boat so much I think I'll keep her, unless....
Go for it - you be a very happy camper.
Alan
alan posted 06-24-2001 11:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for alan  Send Email to alan     
I repowered my '82 18'6" Outrage last year with a Merc 150 2001 Optimax. The OR had the original 150 Johnson on it with a new powerhead 6 years ago, ran well but very salty and I go from RI 10-15 miles out to Block Island 50% of the time. I originally got a good deal on a hull in very good condition 4 years ago so I think it was worth the investment. Going from OMC to Merc rigging is an extra $1500., realisticly all said and done. I did the same on my last Whaler, a '67 Sakonet(Montalk)going from the original Bearcat to the first purchased Yamaha 90HP in the US. Never a bad investment to upgrade a Whaler in good condition. I refinished all the original stuff on the Sakonet including the beautiful mahogany console and sold it in three days, sight unseen, to a fellow in PA at twice what I paid for it. I'm doing the same to the Outrage but love the boat so much I think I'll keep her, unless....
Go for it - you be a very happy camper.
Alan
Bigshot posted 06-25-2001 11:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Place in SW FL has a new 99 or 2000 115 Yamaha for $4500 cash. 2001 are 6700?
JAC posted 06-25-2001 12:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for JAC  Send Email to JAC     
George, I was in your situation last year and opted to rebuild my '87 150HP Evinrude. With all the tech changes in motors and the big move to 4 strokes, I could not justify spending $8K + for an obsolete motor in 3- 4 years. The total cost to rebuild was $3K and I now have a new performing motor.
lhg posted 06-25-2001 12:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I think alan's single engine re-rigging cost is high. A single engine Merc control box is about $200, throttle & shift cables are about $30 each, and a key switch ignition harness is about $75. Maybe a few gauges & a new gas line, and that's it. Labor would be extra, if you don't do it yourself. Maybe another $300.
Bigshot posted 06-25-2001 02:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
You can rebuild for about $2k in FL.
george nagy posted 06-25-2001 05:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for george nagy  Send Email to george nagy     
Well, I'm not to keen on a rebuild. I have done that for my old 15' with a 1983 70 hp evinrude. I think that all said and done the total, not including a lower unit years later, was around $3,000. I could have bought a new one then for about $4,000 then I probably wouldn't have had to spend nearly $1,000 on the lower unit a few years later. The 15' would have also been worth more whaen I sold it too. I keep the boat in the SALT water half the time and the old 1987 has had some corrosion. I spoke to the mechanic when I dropped it off and his first guess was the stater. I haven't heard back ,but I think it is an ignition problem too. I asked if he could check the rest of the motor over and give me complete condition report and if it gets a clean bill of health I will replace the stater or whatever it is and milk another year out of it. I would like to maybe sell the engine running and then do a full repower. The 18' really fits my needs now and although a bigger one would be nice I would rather throw some money back into the 18' after all they aren't making anymore! I still would like to hear some more testimonies as I am not 100% sure yet. thanks! to everyone.
Whaler4me posted 06-25-2001 05:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whaler4me  Send Email to Whaler4me     
George, I have just put $1500-$2000 on my Yamaha 150, just because I did not have the money to purchase a new motor. Everything depends on your budjet, if you have the money to throw at a new engine then I would. If not then a re-build might be the only viable option.

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