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JFM posted 06-29-2001 04:07 PM ET (US)   Profile for JFM   Send Email to JFM  
I would like to know if the value of a Whaler should be effected if it has bottom paint on it.
The reason I ask is that many of you trailer your boats as I would ,and I don't think you guys would like to have the bottom painted. I totally understand if you keep it in the water that you would want it. However, I am looking at a boat this weekend that is painted and want your opinion if bottom paint should be looked at as a detractor to the value of the boat. The boat is a 1992 Montauk. Thanks. Jay
simonmeridew posted 06-29-2001 04:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for simonmeridew  Send Email to simonmeridew     
It would depend on where you live. If you NEVER plan on putting it in salt water and leaving it overnight on a mooring, or dockside for a couple of days in the ocean, then I guess you don't want bottom paint. Once a year we trailer down to the Outer Banks for a week or so, and I guess the paint keeps the green guys off. Otherwise we trailer exclusively and we don't need it.
But there are an equal number of owners who moor or tie the boat off for the summer, and bottom paint is a necessity. It's the first thing they do to a new boat, and bottom paint is expensive.
So I think bottom paint is a plus or a minus, depending on how and where you'll use the boat. Once it's on though, it's like a tattoo: it's there. JMHO.
hardensheetmetal posted 06-29-2001 05:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for hardensheetmetal  Send Email to hardensheetmetal     
as a coincidence, I was at my local BW/Searay dealer here on the hudson the other day and they were preping a 16 Dauntless for delivery. They had mounted a DF with transducer and painted the bottom. Come to find out that the buyer was going to keep it on a trailer and the dealer had to find him a new boat. Now the same dealer is discounting the painted boat even more than the cost of the bottom paint (I think they charged about $325.00).

I have been experiencing the same thing, I have been looking at 18 Dauntlesses for the last few weeks and the guys without paint all praise their gleaming foctory original bottoms, while the dealers with painted bottom boats list that among the boats options. For me it is an asset as I live up the Hudson in brackish water and the boat stays in a slip all season. I have seen people not paint their bottoms and haul the boat every 4 weeks or so, but the white gel coat never comes totally clean. I seem to remember an antifouling wax, has anyone ever used this? does it work? how often to apply?


lhg posted 06-29-2001 06:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I definitely think a Whaler without bottom paint is more valuable. If nothing else, with the unique design of a Whaler hull, bottom paint simply does not look good on the hull, as the paint lines cut across the hull lines in an awkward manner, detracting from the design of the hull. On other hull designs, this is not the case. The larger the hull, the more valuable it is without the paint, such as 22 or 25. An unpainted hull appeals to more potential buyers. It can also indicate a boat less well cared for, since it means the boat has been left in the water for long periods of time. And when a boat is docked or moored, it's not as easy for an owner to do maintenance on them. Chances are huge that a boat without bottom paint will be a better overall boat, since many of know how much better we can care for our Whalers on the trailer.

Paint negatively effects performance also, and is a constant expense to keep up. But for those who dock or moor, it's a fact of life you have to live with, so they probably would not care. But I believe that someone who is going to store a Whaler out of water, on a trailer or dry stack, is often more willing to pay for the clean bottom. I would be. You can see what you're getting also. Bottom paint can nicely conceal a rebuilt, previously damaged hull. Just paint it over, and forget the gelcoat finishing work!

But for a person buying a Whaler with bottom paint, who doesn't want it, they're looking at a large additional expense, or sweat equity, to get rid of it, detracting from what a person will pay for the boat. So don't paint the bottom on your Whaler unless you absolutely have to!

GAwhale posted 06-29-2001 09:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for GAwhale  Send Email to GAwhale     
Keep in mind the anti-fouling paint will lose its effectiveness. My Dad puts a fresh coat on every spring when he launches his boat. It does pretty good for about half the season, then he gets some growth.

When sanding off the old stuff you should wear a respirator with filters, not just a dust mask.

JFM posted 06-30-2001 04:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
Thanks for the info on bottom paint. I passed on another nice Montauk but I couldn't get past the bottom paint. Regards Jay
jimh posted 06-30-2001 04:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I have a Whaler 20-Revenge with bottom paint, although I plan to trailer-sail it almost exclusively, save for perhaps 5-6 days in fresh water once or twice a summer while we are on vacation or long cruises.

When I bought the boat, I thought, "bottom paint, no big deal." Now that I am faced with trying to get it off, I see how much of a job it will be and I regret not including an allowance for all this work in the purchase price negotiations.

On the plus side for me, it seems as if the bottom paint will come off with some effort. I am just in the process of removing some from the transom so I can install new transducers for sonar/speedo/log gear.

I think what I will aim for is removing most of the bottom paint that is visible, i.e., on the hull sides, transom and down to the chine lines, and leaving the paint on the bottom--how I'd get that off is beyond me anyways!


Bigshot posted 07-02-2001 11:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
I have stripped bottoms and it is a PITA. If the hull was etched properly, it is a waste of time cause it will not be shiny, but you can always paint it with awlgrip and do a boot strip so you can't see the paint line.

As far as value goes, I have lost sales because I did NOT have bottom paint. It is a 50/50 thing and depends on where you live. I personally do not like it on ANY boat but it is not always practical to trailer or have a boat lift.
whalernut posted 07-05-2001 09:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
I leave my `16 Currituck in the water for months with the Easy-On Bottom Wax and it works great if you power wash it, the wax leaves a flexible film on the hull and the scum sticks more the the film, then to the hull! They sell it at West Marine. I will power wash my boat in Augest, and then in November. The power wash doesn`t take the film off, a brush will, so in November I use a combo. power wash-brush and it does a very nice job of cleaning the hull. In the Spring, I add another waxing. Regards-Jack Graner.
GAwhale posted 07-06-2001 10:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for GAwhale  Send Email to GAwhale     
The bottom growth is much easier to remove if it is cleaned the moment the boat is pulled from the water. A pressure washer works great. Once that stuff dries it is like glue.

I have seen a diver do a brisk business at the Jubilee Yacht Club in Beverly, MA scrubbing bottoms before a Thusday night sailboat regatta. The things you will do eek out a little more hull speed.

lpaton posted 07-06-2001 10:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for lpaton  Send Email to lpaton     
My boat has always been fresh water and is always moored. The river growth is a pain to remove if dried on but Oxalic acid works well. Now for my question. I am going to PEI this August and was planning on bringing the Outrage III. I have arranged 5 nites mooring in of course (horrers) salt water. Someone please tell me that for this short time the salt water nasties will not give me a hard time. It's supposed to be a vacation
Thanks, Laird
Bigshot posted 07-06-2001 10:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Might get a little yellow but nothing Marykate's On/Off won't fix.
lpaton posted 07-06-2001 11:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for lpaton  Send Email to lpaton     
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Macman posted 07-06-2001 07:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Macman  Send Email to Macman     
I have never seen a Whaler over 13' here in Maine without bottom paint.I have seen a few on the lakes without it. My guess is that those boats have spent their lives in fresh water. Most Whalers here live in the ocean, and paint is required.
Makonut posted 07-11-2001 02:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for Makonut  Send Email to Makonut     
I bottom paint everything that touches the great Pacific for more then 30 days...(except my bottom)
Bigshot posted 07-11-2001 03:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Be Careful! If whales grow barnacles, I bet we could too.

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