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huey posted 06-29-2001 10:05 PM ET (US)   Profile for huey   Send Email to huey  
First, I think it is great to find such a great website which I can find out so much information on. I just came across it yesterday.

I have a few questions regarding a whaler I am seriously thinking about purchasing -1982 outrage 18' still has original teak, powered by 1985 150 Evinrude. Has bottom paint though and shows some oxidation on gel coat, although not that much. I have a 1999 115hp Johnson (which performs perfectly, thank God it isn't a Ficht. Asking price (local) is for $11,200 although I think I could get it between $9500 and $10,200.

Question(s): I want to use this to fish - alot. I want to travel up to 15 miles off shore in the Gulf of Mexico through Tampa Bay (approximately 50 mile or more trips). Is there a downside to using the 115hp? Is the 63 gallon tank enough? How safe is this small of a boat in Gulf and Bay type choppy seas? How tough is it to restore the teak and what should I look for as dead giveaways to a distressed hull.

Thanks Guys (and a few gals)I hope to hear from you.

Andy in St. Pete, FL

jimh posted 06-30-2001 05:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The 18-Outrage is a great boat, and I think you'll find it comfortable in the Gulf of Mexico.

Whaler's teak has amazing restorative properties if given the right care. You can probably get it looking almost like new.

As for powering, I would think 115 HP is adequete, although I know of at least one Outrage-18 with twice that horsepower!

--jimh

Tony posted 07-01-2001 12:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tony  Send Email to Tony     
I'm almost finished restoring my 1970 Outrage (21'). You should be in great shape with 63 gallons. I fish the Gulf also and on a nice day you shouldn't have problems running 15 miles. My friend has a 19 Mako and we have been grouper fishing at the 30 mile mark with a 40+ tank. Just keep an eye on the weather and be prepared for Florida's every changing storm conditions.
Bigshot posted 07-02-2001 11:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
$10k is alot for a boat you are gonna repower. I have seen at least a half dozen 18 outrages in the St Pete Times for around $6k. Keep your eye out.
lhg posted 07-02-2001 03:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
A Whaler Marketing Rep once told me that he thought a 115 was perfect power for an 18 Outrage. Should do about 40MPH. But this size engine was not popular for the boat. Almost all went out with 150's.
ChrisK posted 07-02-2001 03:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for ChrisK  Send Email to ChrisK     
I have the same boat, sans teak. It has a 150 Johnson and max. speed ends up being about 43 (according to GPS). We cruise at maybe 34-35.

The 115 is a lighter engine b/c it's a 4 cylinder not a 6. I notice my boat gets on plane nicely with the 150 but wonder how it would do with 115? That boat weighs approx. 1250 lbs. on its own, add the engine weight, 350 lbs.+ for fuel, another 200-600 lbs. worth of people, and a couple hundred for gear, batteries, ice chests w/ice and you have a lot of weight. I do the same type of fishing and speed is important. You lose a lot of fishing time if you cruise at a slow speed. You wouldn't want to be maxxing out that engine at all times to achieve an adequate cruise. I would consult your local Whaler dealer and ask what they think.

Also, I agree with Bigshot that a boat of that age, not in perfect condition with no power is too much money. You could sell your engine and buy a 150 with the proceeds. I have seen some great prices for the Johnson 2000 models...not sure about warranty, but read all the posts on this site about that and consider doing it. You should see the opportunity to buy a Whaler like that more times, on average, in your neck of the woods than any other. Good luck, hope this helps.

ChrisK posted 07-02-2001 04:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for ChrisK  Send Email to ChrisK     
Sorry, I assumed (wrongly) that you were asking about the 115 b/c the boat came with no engine (I read your post too quickly!) Still, a 16 year old engine is pretty old with little salvage value. The price is not really that out of line, although I think you could get a more recent hull for near the same price. Go to www.traderonline.com in the boat search section and look at what's out there. There are at least a dozen 18.6' Outrages on there.

As far as sea handling, etc., the boat is great for an 18' boat. I have been out in 2-3 ft. waves many times and its very comfortable both head on and following. I have also been in 4-5 ft. waves with some 6's mixed in. I would rather not do that in a boat of this size unless the waves are more like ground swells. I will tell you that I never felt the least bit uncomfortable in that size sea and never got the least bit wet, either. My experience is from the Gulf of Mexico both off Louisiana and Florida.

TightPenny posted 07-03-2001 09:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for TightPenny  Send Email to TightPenny     
FYI

Bombardier is honoring the factory warranties on the OMC engines. I have a 2001 Johnson that had a porosity problem in the carburator. Fixed at no cost to me.

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