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David posted 07-06-2001 11:50 PM ET (US)
Friends,
Just tried and bought an '87 Montauk w/ '93 Tohatsu 90. Splendid shape. New-looking canvas; new cushions: decent trailer: seriously low hours on the motor. $7500. Fellow had it listed it yesterday in a local Maine 2nd hand stuff weekly magazine, and got dozens of calls within hours. I saw it on line yesterday and got the first call in. I am a fairly acomplished negotiator. Allow me to share how the dealings went, so that you all might appreciate the inner game of buying a Whaler. He was asking $7500. We were having a friendly chat at about 20 kts. I asked, "Got many phone calls." He said, "phones ringin" off the hook. A fellow from Toronto has called several times. If you don't want it, I got someone coming in an hour who does." I handed him a check for $7500.
We took a 45 minute ride along the Sheepscot River, a tidal tributary just south of Boothbay Harbor, which may be familiar to some of you. I am a sailer. At four knots, I am smiling. At six, I am wetting myself. Imagine my surprise at thirty. What a great ride.The sensation was more like downhill skiing than sailing, carving wide, stable effortless turns. My wife nodded her approval. My eight year old screamed for more speed.
I began looking for a boat last year. Got close to a couple 80's vintage Outrages, and then the Nasdaq ate my boat. And then last week my wife, the almost perfect woman, said, we need a power boat. The rest of the sentence, yet unspoken, went, "so someone can rescue us when the our sails are limp and the diesel is blown." So off to Soundings. You folks in Fla, Tx and Ca have quite a choise. We here in northern New England have little. And too many nuts chasing too few Whalers makes for the kind of buying experience I had. Found, locally, a '74 w/ '90 90hp, for $6k. And I turned to you kind enthusiasts for help. And you said it was good. And then the '87 surfaced , and you said, especially Bigshot (aka Whaler cow), it was great, and that I should run not walk. And indeed it was and I did. Our family, wife and three boys, 8, 10, and 12, are looking forward to long summer days exploring the nooks and crannies of Eggemoggin Reach, where we are blessed to live. As I write, my dog is barking at the moonlit call of a loon.
But to more pedestrian matters. I need a mooring for our new arrival, named "Indiscriminate"(perhaps). She will lay off shore in front of the house. We get approx 10' of tide. Prevailing southerlies and south-westerlies, up to 40-50kts, but predominantly 10-20 kts onto a lee shore. One foot seas up to six. Good mud bottom. I was thinking a 100lb mushroom with decent bottom chain, and light top, suitable for guest arrivals that displace more than the Montauk's 1250lbs or so. If I am not mistaken, she draws appx 10". So I was thinking about enough scope to put her in three feet of water in a flat dead low, to accomodate rough seas at low tide. And I'd like to run some sort of pulley system from the mooring to shore so I can pull the boat in, rather than row out to it. Any suggestions along those lines would be appreciated. I am sure our family will have wonderful times in the craft, and I appreciate your collective patience as I pose typical whaler calf questions as time passes. When do you teach me the secret Whaler handshake? Or was that the one that I got after I handed over the dough? And I hope you'll all forgive me if I pull out the rag top tomorrow for a 5kt run.
David
GAwhale posted 07-07-2001 08:58 AM ET (US)
Congrats - Sounds like a "wicked" good deal.
I can't imagine a nicer place to spend the month of July than Boothbay; sitting on a picnic table on the dock and eating a lobster that cost 6 or 7 bucks.
Bigshot posted 07-07-2001 09:10 AM ET (US)
Early bird gets the worm! Good Luck, Nick
dfmcintyre posted 07-07-2001 10:06 AM ET (US)
congrats on the purchase. Your kids are at the right age to be indoctrinated with save boating and Whalers. Our kids started on a 22, with our then five month old, riding in a portable cradle affair, up forward where the cooler sits in front of the console. He's now graduated from college!
Instead of a mushroom, I've seen some folks use (honest!) an old 8cyl engine block, with chain to a buoy. Every pully system I've seen usually falls apart by the end of a short season up here in the great lakes. And Murphy will strike at the worst time.
Best - Don
Macman posted 07-07-2001 07:30 PM ET (US)
David, I had to chuckle a bit at your post. I had a similar experience while looking for a Montauk last year. I live in Maine as well. Now that I have one, I notice Whalers all over the place, most of them not being used and not well cared for. Why the heck arent they for sale! Go figure!
I saw the ad for your boat in the local paper and figured that it would sell fast. Good luck with your new boat.
As for the mooring, get a much mushroom as you can. More is better, in my opinion. I lost my first boat to a failed mooring ( a long story....)And with all due respects to Don, I doubt that the harbor master will allow you sink a V-8 block. Those days are over here. Make sure that you buy quality chain and shackles. Find a local Boothbay fisherman and get some help setting it.
Enjoy the Montauk!
David posted 07-08-2001 10:19 AM ET (US)
Thanks, gents.
David
lhg posted 07-09-2001 06:05 PM ET (US)
Point Roberts , Washington? Are we talking the British Columbia coast or the Maine coast?
David posted 07-10-2001 11:09 PM ET (US)
lhg,
That would be the coast of Maine. Eggemoggin Reach, the primary east-west passage for travel between Castine and Bar Harbor. No finer sailing passage.
David

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Author	Topic: 17' addition to the family: need mooring advise
David	posted 07-06-2001 11:50 PM ET (US) Friends, Just tried and bought an '87 Montauk w/ '93 Tohatsu 90. Splendid shape. New-looking canvas; new cushions: decent trailer: seriously low hours on the motor. $7500. Fellow had it listed it yesterday in a local Maine 2nd hand stuff weekly magazine, and got dozens of calls within hours. I saw it on line yesterday and got the first call in. I am a fairly acomplished negotiator. Allow me to share how the dealings went, so that you all might appreciate the inner game of buying a Whaler. He was asking $7500. We were having a friendly chat at about 20 kts. I asked, "Got many phone calls." He said, "phones ringin" off the hook. A fellow from Toronto has called several times. If you don't want it, I got someone coming in an hour who does." I handed him a check for $7500. We took a 45 minute ride along the Sheepscot River, a tidal tributary just south of Boothbay Harbor, which may be familiar to some of you. I am a sailer. At four knots, I am smiling. At six, I am wetting myself. Imagine my surprise at thirty. What a great ride.The sensation was more like downhill skiing than sailing, carving wide, stable effortless turns. My wife nodded her approval. My eight year old screamed for more speed. I began looking for a boat last year. Got close to a couple 80's vintage Outrages, and then the Nasdaq ate my boat. And then last week my wife, the almost perfect woman, said, we need a power boat. The rest of the sentence, yet unspoken, went, "so someone can rescue us when the our sails are limp and the diesel is blown." So off to Soundings. You folks in Fla, Tx and Ca have quite a choise. We here in northern New England have little. And too many nuts chasing too few Whalers makes for the kind of buying experience I had. Found, locally, a '74 w/ '90 90hp, for $6k. And I turned to you kind enthusiasts for help. And you said it was good. And then the '87 surfaced , and you said, especially Bigshot (aka Whaler cow), it was great, and that I should run not walk. And indeed it was and I did. Our family, wife and three boys, 8, 10, and 12, are looking forward to long summer days exploring the nooks and crannies of Eggemoggin Reach, where we are blessed to live. As I write, my dog is barking at the moonlit call of a loon. But to more pedestrian matters. I need a mooring for our new arrival, named "Indiscriminate"(perhaps). She will lay off shore in front of the house. We get approx 10' of tide. Prevailing southerlies and south-westerlies, up to 40-50kts, but predominantly 10-20 kts onto a lee shore. One foot seas up to six. Good mud bottom. I was thinking a 100lb mushroom with decent bottom chain, and light top, suitable for guest arrivals that displace more than the Montauk's 1250lbs or so. If I am not mistaken, she draws appx 10". So I was thinking about enough scope to put her in three feet of water in a flat dead low, to accomodate rough seas at low tide. And I'd like to run some sort of pulley system from the mooring to shore so I can pull the boat in, rather than row out to it. Any suggestions along those lines would be appreciated. I am sure our family will have wonderful times in the craft, and I appreciate your collective patience as I pose typical whaler calf questions as time passes. When do you teach me the secret Whaler handshake? Or was that the one that I got after I handed over the dough? And I hope you'll all forgive me if I pull out the rag top tomorrow for a 5kt run. David
GAwhale	posted 07-07-2001 08:58 AM ET (US) Congrats - Sounds like a "wicked" good deal. I can't imagine a nicer place to spend the month of July than Boothbay; sitting on a picnic table on the dock and eating a lobster that cost 6 or 7 bucks.
Bigshot	posted 07-07-2001 09:10 AM ET (US) Early bird gets the worm! Good Luck, Nick
dfmcintyre	posted 07-07-2001 10:06 AM ET (US) congrats on the purchase. Your kids are at the right age to be indoctrinated with save boating and Whalers. Our kids started on a 22, with our then five month old, riding in a portable cradle affair, up forward where the cooler sits in front of the console. He's now graduated from college! Instead of a mushroom, I've seen some folks use (honest!) an old 8cyl engine block, with chain to a buoy. Every pully system I've seen usually falls apart by the end of a short season up here in the great lakes. And Murphy will strike at the worst time. Best - Don
Macman	posted 07-07-2001 07:30 PM ET (US) David, I had to chuckle a bit at your post. I had a similar experience while looking for a Montauk last year. I live in Maine as well. Now that I have one, I notice Whalers all over the place, most of them not being used and not well cared for. Why the heck arent they for sale! Go figure! I saw the ad for your boat in the local paper and figured that it would sell fast. Good luck with your new boat. As for the mooring, get a much mushroom as you can. More is better, in my opinion. I lost my first boat to a failed mooring ( a long story....)And with all due respects to Don, I doubt that the harbor master will allow you sink a V-8 block. Those days are over here. Make sure that you buy quality chain and shackles. Find a local Boothbay fisherman and get some help setting it. Enjoy the Montauk!
David	posted 07-08-2001 10:19 AM ET (US) Thanks, gents. David
lhg	posted 07-09-2001 06:05 PM ET (US) Point Roberts , Washington? Are we talking the British Columbia coast or the Maine coast?
David	posted 07-10-2001 11:09 PM ET (US) lhg, That would be the coast of Maine. Eggemoggin Reach, the primary east-west passage for travel between Castine and Bar Harbor. No finer sailing passage. David