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BW Sailboat Supercat
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posted 07-11-2001 06:15 PM ET (US)
Does anyone have any input on the boat listed below. I have the opp. to buy it. This would be our 1st BW sailboat, but our 4th BW, so I know the power end, but not the sail end, yet. Oh, one last thing, does anyone have a picture. I know about the harpoon site, and posted the same message there.
17' SUPERCAT Sport cat, main+ jib, white w/blk. tramp, sails exc. cond., orig. Boston Whaler manuf., incl. life jackets, trlr., etc.,
Thanks in advance... mike
posted 07-12-2001 09:59 AM ET (US)
I have a 20' Supercat which was the first model made. They ended up with a lineup of four boats (I think, don't have the catalog right here), the 20, 19, 17 and 15(?) models.
All well built. Almost bought a 17 myself, but a 20 came on the market. The 17 is a good beach boat, with a mesh tramp, that does not hold water or sand, plus a roller furling jib, so it's one less sail to screw with (assuming your keeping it on a beach). It also has no boom, the main is attached to the block and tackle.
During the late 70's, two top rated HobieCat sailors in Florida sat down with paper, and a certain amount of Pratt & Whitney computer time (where they were engineers) and decided to design the ultimate cat hull. That done, they coded a program to design the best sail for that hull.
Around 1980, they had the boat built. And in the open class, they were walking away from everyone. It was 20' with a 12' beam, with a 30' mast. This is a big boat. The first production cat to go over 30 knots. That's flying.
About then, Whaler was watching Hobie make a sizable profit in cat's, and decided to build one. Engineers are not neccessarly sales people, and (I think) running the company, and sales were not their strongpoints. Supercat got sold to Whaler around 81 or '82. I don't think Whaler dealers were jumping with joy, trying to sell a cat, and sales projections just were not there. The cat division got tossed to another sailboat division, by the parent company that owned Whaler at this point. From there the line got sold off, and last I heard, Aquaris Sailboats, over in Minn or Wisc is producing some models. The largest model is a 30', with a 16' beam. HUGE!
What are they asking?
posted 07-12-2001 10:58 AM ET (US)
Thank you for the very informative reply!!! You basically answered all my questions. However, I have one other, does this boat have the fan club/re-sale "value and following" as the harpoons or powerboats?
Oh, they are asking $600 OBO, so if it is still forsale Friday, and the hull etc. look either good or repairable, then I'm in.
One other quick note, is/are the hull/s foam filled like all other whalers? (i.e., is it unsinkable?)
posted 07-12-2001 04:08 PM ET (US)
As a former Hobie 16 owner, I can tell you that beach cats are among the most exciting sailboats on the water. If you are looking for a casual daysailer to putter around the bay in, consider another type of boat. If you really want to go sailing (this means full participation by skipper and crew, wetsuits if the water is cold, and a full-on adrenal rush with every surf launch and landing, go for the cat. I recently sold my solid but tired '78 Hobie 16 for $600, so the price seems to be reasonable. Does the boat come with a trailer, cat box, beach wheels or other extras? Also, check out [url]http://www.murrays.com/[url/]to check on prices for parts that may need replacement.
posted 07-12-2001 04:10 PM ET (US)
posted 07-12-2001 08:10 PM ET (US)
I have found a BW sail fan club page...sorry but I didn't book mark but use yahoo to find it. (thats the search engine I happen to use)
posted 07-12-2001 09:06 PM ET (US)
The hulls are not foam filled. High strength S-type glass and klege cell foam used to construct the hulls, pretty high tech for the late 70's.
The 17 weighs 350 lbs, mast height is 20'9" and has 234 sqft of sail.
List price in 1981 was $4600
I'm not aware of any "clubs" per se that are around for our cats.
If you wanna rush, and have somewhere to keep it, for $600 bucks you can't go wrong! If you get it, I'll photocopy all my lit, and snail it to you.
posted 07-13-2001 10:15 AM ET (US)
thank you all for the information. as usual I am glad for this forum and for the help and input from all the great folks on it! i'll let you know what happens.
posted 07-13-2001 10:23 AM ET (US)
i used to work @ whaler, when they built the supercats in so ca...fun boat...fast and built right !!
posted 07-13-2001 07:52 PM ET (US)
When did Whaler move the cat production line to So Cal? I always thought it was at Rivera Beach Florida.
And do you recall when they stopped production?
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