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hardensheetmetal posted 07-18-2001 07:59 PM ET (US)
On my way to a job this morning I happened to pass by a local towns fire house and to my amazement, there was a new 24 Justice in the parking lot. I stopped by on my way home to take a closer look. What a beautiful boat, twin Opti 150's, Tee top, everthing first class. Ass I was drooling the cheif happened to see me and headed over. He said they had been to the factory before the boat was made, and he hadn't realized that BW's were so expensive. He agreed with me when I guessed the town paid about $75,000 for it (something I have a little bit of a hard time with, as there are very few accidents or emergencies on the Hudson, and there are already several towns and state agencies that patrol the river.) Now I am just trying to figure out how I'm going to weasel a ride in this boat.
Dan
PS- I did pay particular attention to the chine gaurd, and it is screwed on from the outside.
jimh posted 07-18-2001 11:28 PM ET (US)
I think you'd better seriously consider becoming a member of the Police Auxillary/Marine Division!
flwhaler posted 07-19-2001 12:38 AM ET (US)
That price seems very low...he didnt want to freak out a tax payer that boat is a 100,000 dollar boat every bit...think about..thats way low.
michael
Chap posted 07-19-2001 10:34 AM ET (US)
I agree with the higher price.
My family is partners in a marina that occasionally helps the local law etc. and had the FBI's new 25' Guardian in the slings last year or so, missed the picture oppurtunity. Fully ugmented, it priced out over 100k according to our manager. Very impressive sled.
Chap
hardensheetmetal posted 07-19-2001 04:15 PM ET (US)
$75,000.00 was purely a shot in the dark guess, I'm sure your right in that he did not wan't to throw around how much the FD had spent on a boat they might use three or four times a year.
Dan
White Bear posted 07-19-2001 05:16 PM ET (US)
Being in the "business," just let me say that if the boat is used only once to save a single person it is well worth the investment,
hardensheetmetal posted 07-19-2001 09:21 PM ET (US)
Let me first say that I agree with you completely,- but, the FD in question already has an older 17' Whaler that is in use currently. I am sorry to say this, but I think that volunteer fire departments (at least locally) tend to want the biggest and the best. I know I am going to get grilled for making that statement, but it kills me to see the 'people in charge' of my local fire dept. (a town of about 10,000 that has two fire departments) driving around in 2001 3/4 ton Suburbans with aluminum wheels.

Dan
White Bear posted 07-20-2001 08:17 PM ET (US)
Point well taken - the competition between fire departments for the biggest and the latest can be ridiculous, and galling to the taxpayer; but just think what it would cost to cover the minimum staffing requirements of a career fire department.
hardensheetmetal posted 07-20-2001 11:00 PM ET (US)
My town/village could never afford or justify a full time FD. They do keep a 16' 1970's fibergalss outboard boat (brand?) at my marina (the marina provides the slip free of charge) This is a case where I could justify them spending maybe $25,000 on a small CPD Whaler, maybe something like a 17 alert.
Dan
Hawaiian Bob posted 07-23-2001 11:50 PM ET (US)
Volunteer Departments save the village so much money and risk so much let them have a few nice toys. Wow what a penny pincher!!!!
Bigshot posted 07-24-2001 09:19 AM ET (US)
Maybe in Hawaii Bob but in my 1 horse town in NJ they had a big budget. They have 4 trucks and 2 cost $500k each with ladders and diamond plate and gold pinstrping, etc. They are nice but they are firetrucks, not show trucks. They also have a gameroom with pool table, dartboard, BAR. etc. Not saying it is excessive, but it is a resort town that is 2 miles long and a 1/4 mile wide only populated for 3-4 months. Do not even get me started on the $million dollar police station. They are a great asset and do a lot for the community. I think they did the same job 30 years ago without the fancy trucks. I also think they should charge people for fire calls, especially the stupid ones.
Chap posted 07-24-2001 10:20 AM ET (US)
Bigshot,
Seaside's chief even has a Hummer now.
I believe that one should have the best tool for the job at hand, the Whaler may be that tool at sea for these folks, many of whom I hang with often and would like to contiue to do so, but a Hummer. I'd rather see a second Whaler.
Chap
Bigshot posted 07-24-2001 10:31 AM ET (US)
This on LBI and luckily they still have a 86 Suburban. It was purchased used in like 93 or 94 and was red and white. They got it cheap and it was mint. They then dropped $6k on a paintjob and some scanners, etc. There was nothing wrong with the red and white 2-tone. They get a boat and I think people will have a cow. No need for that! They get a hummer and people will riot.
where2 posted 07-24-2001 12:53 PM ET (US)
Hey, look at it this way. Ever notice how they take the fire trucks out for a spin every now and then to keep the diesels running in good shape. Where's the volunteer sheet to take that Whaler out once a week?? Sign Me Up!!
hardensheetmetal posted 07-24-2001 04:39 PM ET (US)
I am not sure how it works, but in my town, I can't remember ever actually beeing able to vote on whether or not the FD should be able to purchase a new pc. of equipment. It must come up at a town board mtg, but then they just go out and do it. I know my town just paid 134,000 for an F450 Rescue truck (basically a cab/chassis with a utility body) I have the same truck at work and it only cost $29,000.00.
I saw the same CPD Whaler today, parked inside the fire house, kind of kitty corner (it obviosly did not fit in the garage well) I got thinking about how long it would take for the to actually get from the fire house to the nearest launching ramp, and actually get the boat deployed - conservatively, 20 minutes. Now about 5 miles away from this launchiung ramp is a marina where the state police have a 21' CPD Whaler, in the water, ready to go
Dan
Whalerdan posted 07-25-2001 07:54 AM ET (US)
Oh hell, don't tell them that or they have their own dock!!

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Author	Topic: Local FD's 24 Justice
hardensheetmetal	posted 07-18-2001 07:59 PM ET (US) On my way to a job this morning I happened to pass by a local towns fire house and to my amazement, there was a new 24 Justice in the parking lot. I stopped by on my way home to take a closer look. What a beautiful boat, twin Opti 150's, Tee top, everthing first class. Ass I was drooling the cheif happened to see me and headed over. He said they had been to the factory before the boat was made, and he hadn't realized that BW's were so expensive. He agreed with me when I guessed the town paid about $75,000 for it (something I have a little bit of a hard time with, as there are very few accidents or emergencies on the Hudson, and there are already several towns and state agencies that patrol the river.) Now I am just trying to figure out how I'm going to weasel a ride in this boat. Dan PS- I did pay particular attention to the chine gaurd, and it is screwed on from the outside.
jimh	posted 07-18-2001 11:28 PM ET (US) I think you'd better seriously consider becoming a member of the Police Auxillary/Marine Division!
flwhaler	posted 07-19-2001 12:38 AM ET (US) That price seems very low...he didnt want to freak out a tax payer that boat is a 100,000 dollar boat every bit...think about..thats way low. michael
Chap	posted 07-19-2001 10:34 AM ET (US) I agree with the higher price. My family is partners in a marina that occasionally helps the local law etc. and had the FBI's new 25' Guardian in the slings last year or so, missed the picture oppurtunity. Fully ugmented, it priced out over 100k according to our manager. Very impressive sled. Chap
hardensheetmetal	posted 07-19-2001 04:15 PM ET (US) $75,000.00 was purely a shot in the dark guess, I'm sure your right in that he did not wan't to throw around how much the FD had spent on a boat they might use three or four times a year. Dan
White Bear	posted 07-19-2001 05:16 PM ET (US) Being in the "business," just let me say that if the boat is used only once to save a single person it is well worth the investment,
hardensheetmetal	posted 07-19-2001 09:21 PM ET (US) Let me first say that I agree with you completely,- but, the FD in question already has an older 17' Whaler that is in use currently. I am sorry to say this, but I think that volunteer fire departments (at least locally) tend to want the biggest and the best. I know I am going to get grilled for making that statement, but it kills me to see the 'people in charge' of my local fire dept. (a town of about 10,000 that has two fire departments) driving around in 2001 3/4 ton Suburbans with aluminum wheels. Dan
White Bear	posted 07-20-2001 08:17 PM ET (US) Point well taken - the competition between fire departments for the biggest and the latest can be ridiculous, and galling to the taxpayer; but just think what it would cost to cover the minimum staffing requirements of a career fire department.
hardensheetmetal	posted 07-20-2001 11:00 PM ET (US) My town/village could never afford or justify a full time FD. They do keep a 16' 1970's fibergalss outboard boat (brand?) at my marina (the marina provides the slip free of charge) This is a case where I could justify them spending maybe $25,000 on a small CPD Whaler, maybe something like a 17 alert. Dan
Hawaiian Bob	posted 07-23-2001 11:50 PM ET (US) Volunteer Departments save the village so much money and risk so much let them have a few nice toys. Wow what a penny pincher!!!!
Bigshot	posted 07-24-2001 09:19 AM ET (US) Maybe in Hawaii Bob but in my 1 horse town in NJ they had a big budget. They have 4 trucks and 2 cost $500k each with ladders and diamond plate and gold pinstrping, etc. They are nice but they are firetrucks, not show trucks. They also have a gameroom with pool table, dartboard, BAR. etc. Not saying it is excessive, but it is a resort town that is 2 miles long and a 1/4 mile wide only populated for 3-4 months. Do not even get me started on the $million dollar police station. They are a great asset and do a lot for the community. I think they did the same job 30 years ago without the fancy trucks. I also think they should charge people for fire calls, especially the stupid ones.
Chap	posted 07-24-2001 10:20 AM ET (US) Bigshot, Seaside's chief even has a Hummer now. I believe that one should have the best tool for the job at hand, the Whaler may be that tool at sea for these folks, many of whom I hang with often and would like to contiue to do so, but a Hummer. I'd rather see a second Whaler. Chap
Bigshot	posted 07-24-2001 10:31 AM ET (US) This on LBI and luckily they still have a 86 Suburban. It was purchased used in like 93 or 94 and was red and white. They got it cheap and it was mint. They then dropped $6k on a paintjob and some scanners, etc. There was nothing wrong with the red and white 2-tone. They get a boat and I think people will have a cow. No need for that! They get a hummer and people will riot.
where2	posted 07-24-2001 12:53 PM ET (US) Hey, look at it this way. Ever notice how they take the fire trucks out for a spin every now and then to keep the diesels running in good shape. Where's the volunteer sheet to take that Whaler out once a week?? Sign Me Up!!
hardensheetmetal	posted 07-24-2001 04:39 PM ET (US) I am not sure how it works, but in my town, I can't remember ever actually beeing able to vote on whether or not the FD should be able to purchase a new pc. of equipment. It must come up at a town board mtg, but then they just go out and do it. I know my town just paid 134,000 for an F450 Rescue truck (basically a cab/chassis with a utility body) I have the same truck at work and it only cost $29,000.00. I saw the same CPD Whaler today, parked inside the fire house, kind of kitty corner (it obviosly did not fit in the garage well) I got thinking about how long it would take for the to actually get from the fire house to the nearest launching ramp, and actually get the boat deployed - conservatively, 20 minutes. Now about 5 miles away from this launchiung ramp is a marina where the state police have a 21' CPD Whaler, in the water, ready to go Dan
Whalerdan	posted 07-25-2001 07:54 AM ET (US) Oh hell, don't tell them that or they have their own dock!!